doublenutz
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I am wholly hoping that you are correct. I just brought a condo there last week and I plan on taking my guns when I move there in the near future.
Hopefully the DC supreme court ruling will be broad enough to smack down Hawaii's unconstitutional position.
I am wholly hoping that you are correct. I just brought a condo there last week and I plan on taking my guns when I move there in the near future.
I am actually returning to Hawaii as it has been my off and on between there and Japan for almost twenty years (Chaminade U is my alma mater) .Aloha,
New to the site and already like what i'm reading! Maybe one day we'll get concealed carry in this anti-gun state of Hawaii.
Keep hoping, from what i've seen living here in Hawaii (Oahu) for the past 10 years it's all about the connection. In my opinion this place has the most corrupt government I have ever seen. Just to let you know that when you bring your guns here, by law you have three days to take them to the main Honolulu Police Station and get them registered.
I am interested to see what comes of Mr. Youngs lawsuit. I forwarded him your suggestions on here and hopefully he can get the backing to really make a difference on this issue.
I am actually returning to Hawaii as it has been my off and on between there and Japan for almost twenty years (Chaminade U is my alma mater) .
I purchased a condo in Makiki to set up retirement in a few years and I plan to bring my guns... registering with HPD is ridiculous if you ask me. Dammit HPD needs to register with HPD!!! I'll be back there fighting for my right to carryin just a few years so keep a seat warm for me and keep the pressure on those corrupt politico's .
Yesterday was the court hearing to see if the judge was going to dismiss the case. Anyone heard anything?
update from George Young
Well, this is the update.
The hearing for the County of Hawaii in their Motion to Dismiss was scheduled for November 13, 2007, however, it was canceled and consolidated with the State's Motion to Dismiss which was scheduled for November 19, 2007.
Now, since I submitted a Motion in Opposition to Dismissal, and literally took apart their claim to State sovereign immunity under the Eleventh Amendment, Chief Judge Helen Gilmore (a Clinton appointee), has canceled the court date of November 19, 2007. Judge Gilmore has decided to exercise Hawaii State Local Rule 7.2 (d): "A Court, in its discretion, can rule on any motion without a hearing."
In other words, the Complaint is now in a position of being denied a hearing or even going to court. What this action implies is that any challenge to any Right under the Bill of Rights, in Hawaii, can be suppressed through LOCAL RULES. The Defendants do not want to go to court with this issue. They have no protection behind the Eleventh Amendment. They do not possess any evidence or proof of the "Collective Right" from the period Dec. 15, 1791 through 1900. And, I have turned down "Declaratory Judgement" (leave the decision to a single Judge). The Democrats have resorted to LOCAL RULES.
First Amendment Right to "...address government for grievances", is now in a position of being denied. A despotic government is now in place. The rule of law no longer prevails.
The State claim to the Second Amendment and the "collective right", alters the Hawaii State Constitution and Article 17, "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.". In 1959, the Hawaii State Constitutional Convention, in order to join the Union and become a State, passed Article 17 under the foundation and belief that it is an individual right. Therefore, we now have a constitutional change without the permission of "We the people...". In this instance, we are no longer a democracy with a "republican form of government" and a Citizen; we are now a democracy with a "democratic form of government" and a Subject. The difference is that in a democratic form of government, like Japan, Great Britain, Venezuela, etc., the legislature can change their constitutions without the participation of the people. The United States is the only government in the world that is a republican form of government, where the people's document is supreme and above both the national and local governments. Our constitutions, both national and state, require an explicit act by "we the people..." in order for it to be altered, changed or abolished. This glaring fact is guaranteed in United States Constitution, Article IV, Section 4: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of government." In support of this fact, we have United States Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2: "...under the Authority of the United States, shall be the Supreme Law of the Land; and the JUDGES in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
I have not yet received the court's written order yet on their decision as to whether to proceed with trial or not, who knows, I may be surprised and Judge Gilmore will grant the trial, but don't hold your breath.
It is a shame that Hawaii is now the prime experimental base for socialism and the people of Hawaii are ignorant of the that fact.
"...For the very idea that one man may be compelled to hold his life, or the means of living, or any material right essential to the enjoyment of life at the mere will of another, seems to be intolerable in any country where freedom prevails, as being the essence of slavery itself." (Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886)).
George Young
Here is the latest and greatest as posted on AR15.com:
...the Second Amendment guarantees a "collective" rather than an individual right.
Well, McDonald has destroyed that argument. Anything still going on with your case?
We need a national concealed carry program good in all states. Then these damn libtards wouldn't be able to trample the rights of law abiding citizens!
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