Nadir Point
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Not to belabor the point, but technically the bible has no "authority" anywhere. It's a book whose only value of any sort exists in the weak minds of those who allow it to control their lives.
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Reba
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Now remember, the question was about which of our laws imposed biblical rules on everyone.
As an aside, it was Christians in England and the US who led the abolition movement.
If it is "still alive and well in funny religions" that's not the same as imposing it as law on Americans. Just don't join a funny religion.
Whatever laws the states had (including my adopted state), they have only their own prejudices to blame.
Even the states didn't "ban" same sex marriages but simply tried to codify the already existing definition of marriage. Since the courts have overturned them, the biblical "rule" for marriage isn't "imposed" on anyone.
Exactly which biblical rule about slavery directly applied to a US law about slavery?
As an aside, it was Christians in England and the US who led the abolition movement.
The Bible doesn't say women are to be regarded as lesser beings, and since the governments of the biblical cultures weren't the same as America's, no one had the right to vote in the Bible. So, since the Bible doesn't say those things, they couldn't be imposed on America. If anything, the Bible elevated the status and rights of women within their cultures.
Which biblical rules can you cite that decree racism, segregation and racial discrimination? (Chapter and verse, please.)
If it is "still alive and well in funny religions" that's not the same as imposing it as law on Americans. Just don't join a funny religion.
The problem with that is there is no biblical rule/law/commandment against interracial marriage. Look it up.
Whatever laws the states had (including my adopted state), they have only their own prejudices to blame.
God did establish marriage as a lifetime union between one man and one woman. It wasn't a ban--it was a relationship established and defined by God. Same sex couples, polygamous groups, any combination beyond the one man and one woman can get whatever civil recognitions they want, and the government can call their unions "marriage" under their laws but God is not fooled. He knows who is actually married and who is not.
Even the states didn't "ban" same sex marriages but simply tried to codify the already existing definition of marriage. Since the courts have overturned them, the biblical "rule" for marriage isn't "imposed" on anyone.
Exactly. No biblical rules have been imposed on Americans.
XD40scinNC
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NC Constitution Amendment defining a marriage as between a man and a woman. Passed, enacted, enforced until ruled unconstitutional by the courts.
txfilmmaker
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Christians, Romney and the "establishment"
Slavery and the Bible: (A little long)
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
Woman lesser in the Bible?
Short Answer: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28)
Racism: Same answer as above. Not condoned in the Bible. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28)
Interracial Marriage: In spiritual terms, there are two races of humans: Jesus-followers and everyone else; those with a heart of stone, and those with a heart of flesh (Ezekiel 11:19). Second Corinthians 6:14 prohibits Christians from marrying non-Christians. This law was paralleled in Israel in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 7:3-4) which forbade the Israelites from marrying foreigners of a different religion. But there are many marriages and children of mixed ethnicity that are held up with honor. Caleb's father is called a Kenizzite (Numbers 32:12)—descended from one of the nations of Canaan. Rahab was from Jericho (Joshua 2). Moses' wife was a Cushite from Midian (Exodus 2:16-21)—as was her father who served as a counselor for Moses (Exodus 18:17-27). Ruth the Moabitess has an entire book dedicated to her and her faithfulness to her Jewish mother-in-law. In the New Testament, Timothy was the son of a Jewish mother and a Greek father, and a leader in the early church.
Same Sex Marriage: (Oxymoron) However, same sex attraction is a reality and there is help for those who desire freedom. I know many who have been helped.
Every lawmaker and voter has moral shaping influences. For many, the Bible is a large influence. We live in a Republic. It's not a Democracy. Strict democracy equals "mob rule." The constitution keeps atheists and theocrats in check.
Truth is liberating.
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Slavery and the Bible: (A little long)
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
Woman lesser in the Bible?
Short Answer: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28)
Racism: Same answer as above. Not condoned in the Bible. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28)
Interracial Marriage: In spiritual terms, there are two races of humans: Jesus-followers and everyone else; those with a heart of stone, and those with a heart of flesh (Ezekiel 11:19). Second Corinthians 6:14 prohibits Christians from marrying non-Christians. This law was paralleled in Israel in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 7:3-4) which forbade the Israelites from marrying foreigners of a different religion. But there are many marriages and children of mixed ethnicity that are held up with honor. Caleb's father is called a Kenizzite (Numbers 32:12)—descended from one of the nations of Canaan. Rahab was from Jericho (Joshua 2). Moses' wife was a Cushite from Midian (Exodus 2:16-21)—as was her father who served as a counselor for Moses (Exodus 18:17-27). Ruth the Moabitess has an entire book dedicated to her and her faithfulness to her Jewish mother-in-law. In the New Testament, Timothy was the son of a Jewish mother and a Greek father, and a leader in the early church.
Same Sex Marriage: (Oxymoron) However, same sex attraction is a reality and there is help for those who desire freedom. I know many who have been helped.
Every lawmaker and voter has moral shaping influences. For many, the Bible is a large influence. We live in a Republic. It's not a Democracy. Strict democracy equals "mob rule." The constitution keeps atheists and theocrats in check.
Truth is liberating.
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Reba
Sinner saved by grace
Not a ban. Defining marriage as it already existed at that time. Based on marriage from American tradition, not from a biblical rule. Marriage of one man and one woman is not just a Judaeo/Christian practice.
Reba
Sinner saved by grace
I don't need to add anything to your explanation.
XD40scinNC
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And how many time have christians redefined marriage. Were you sold into marriage for three goats and a cow, by your father, or marry your rapist, or marry your husbands brother if you became a widow?
txfilmmaker
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While man has done reprehensible things throughout history. God's account of marriage from Genesis (not the band) still stands. Jesus quoted it: Matthew 19:4-6 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
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XD40scinNC
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So A&E had two sons..... and we all descend from........? Then with a total world population of 4, we have a murder, now there are 3. Genesis is BS, pure and simple. How a rational person sorts this out in their mind completely befuddles me.
Nadir Point
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No sorting required! Just bask in the warm glow of willful ignorance.
Reba
Sinner saved by grace
Those weren't definitions of Christian marriage.
I'm a Christian, not living in Old Testament Middle East.
txfilmmaker
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So rational. Not! Ha ha
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Nadir Point
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At least it's written at a level you can understand.
txfilmmaker
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Christians, Romney and the "establishment"
It was written like that for your benefit, not mine. You have to have tremendous faith to believe in evolution. Nice religion you guys have going there. My IQ is 138, but I have a couple good friends who are geniuses. They have Doctorates from Yale, Dartmouth and Rice. They believe in God and creation science. I guess you're smarter.
Proverbs 1:7 says, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” This verse gives us some added insight with its antithetical parallelism—there is a sharp contrast between the wise life and the foolish life. A wise person fears/reverences/obeys the Lord; a fool despises God’s instruction and cannot be told what to do. The wise person is wise because he has started at the starting place; the fool has no foundation on which to build wisdom.
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It was written like that for your benefit, not mine. You have to have tremendous faith to believe in evolution. Nice religion you guys have going there. My IQ is 138, but I have a couple good friends who are geniuses. They have Doctorates from Yale, Dartmouth and Rice. They believe in God and creation science. I guess you're smarter.
Proverbs 1:7 says, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” This verse gives us some added insight with its antithetical parallelism—there is a sharp contrast between the wise life and the foolish life. A wise person fears/reverences/obeys the Lord; a fool despises God’s instruction and cannot be told what to do. The wise person is wise because he has started at the starting place; the fool has no foundation on which to build wisdom.
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XD40scinNC
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Actually demonstrates you are talking out of you bunghole. Atheism is;
Should be simple enough for anyone without hangups about fairy tales.
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XD40scinNC
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The theists flock to show off their ignorance.... alas Ringo you haven't a clue how rational people think or what they believe.
txfilmmaker
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As consistently demonstrated by XD and Nadir.
It's pretty safe to say that all/most?
Atheists believe in Evolution. A belief made up by fallible man trying to explain our history without any empirical evidence. A theory the requires tremendous faith. Maybe those who truly believe Darwin are descendants of apes. ;-) Yet, they will fight other views tooth and nail.
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Two of these are the same, one is different. Can you pick them out?
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