what do you do if the bathroom requires you to go through the bar to access?
OK this is getting a tad redicilous... :wacko:
what do you do if the bathroom requires you to go through the bar to access?
OK this is getting a tad redicilous... :wacko:
you are correct, only the most anal would be concerned about passing through a bar portion of an establishment while concealed carrying, I only brought it up to highlight the absurdity of how some people interpret the lawsI have read Gutmacher's book and I can tell you that his interpretation of it is this... You can conceal carry a firearm into an establishment that serves alcohol as long as isn't their primary service.
In other words, if it is a bar it is off limits. If it is a restaurant that has a bar you can carry there but you can not approach or sit at the bar. To say that you can not walk past the bar to get to a restroom is absolutely ridiculous.
Now, as far as concealed carry in Disney World it "MIGHT" be found illegal according to Florida Statute 790.251
specifically, this sub-paragraph:
790.251 Protection of the right to keep and bear arms in motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes; prohibited acts; duty of public and private employers; immunity from liability; enforcement.—(1) SHORT TITLE.—This section may be cited as the “Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008.”
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Under Florida law, private landowners such as Disney can limit the open carrying of firearms on property. Disney authorities can order a guest to leave for violating the policy, but if the owner legally possesses the weapon, they cannot press criminal charges.
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption.I see where his would definitely include a bar for example. But I'm not clear on why this would not include a restaurant that serves alcohol? After all, isn't the entire restaurant licensed to dispense?
Also, what about an outdoor booth that sells alcohol? At Epcot, I know they have Margherita stands for example, and you can walk around freely in the park with your drink. Would the exception only apply right around the booth, and if so, isn't that a very grey area since there is no guideline for distance?
Could Disney be using that angle to give them the right to deny weapons? Or per the article above, do they already have that right as a private business on private property?
I realize that if you carry and keep the weapon concealed they will never know (unless they institute pat downs or metal detectors), but I'm just wondering what the actual law is, or if it's murky in this case.
Lastly, I ask you carry enthusiasts, is there any excuse for what this guy allowed to happen? Like I said, I am fine with responsible citizens legally carrying. But in my view, this guy has shown himself to lack the responsibility that should be required. This could have turned out much worse than it did. When you think about some of the warning signs that Disney has put on their rides, I can easily see someone being clueless enough to think the gun was part of the ride or something. Or worse, a kid picks it up and starts playing with it before anyone notices. Or a kid sticks it in his backpack for later.
Anyway, not trying to step on any toes, just wanting some other opinions. Thanks.
Criminals can carry whether on duty or off duty.Even off duty law enforcement are not permitted to have weapons on property.
Criminals can carry whether on duty or off duty.
My wife and I are taking our kids to Disney World (Orland) in January. I understand that Disney has a no weapons policy. However, I am wondering if any of you have any real world experience with Disney World. Can you concealed carry there? Do they have posted signs or metal detectors? I plan on taking my gun because I would like to fly with it as I have never done this. I may just lock it in the room when I get there, assuming there are safes. The last thing I need on a family vacation though is a MAJOR HASSLE. Suggestions please!
-PDW
I planned my trip to WDW/Magic Kingdom for yesterday, and, knowing their policy, left my pistol in my room. I was amazed that, when I took the big boat across the lake and then passed thru security, all they did was look in my backpack. I didn't have to empty my pockets. They had no metal detector. They had no one wanding people. I could have carried my 9mm on my hip, and they wouldn't have had a clue! I was rather frustrated--not only that I didn't bring my pistol, but that their security was so lax that any bad guy could get in there with a weapon and wreak havoc at any moment!!
you could have carried it but how disappointed would your kids have been if you inadvertently exposed it and then got thrown out of not only the park but off of the property?
you could have carried it but how disappointed would your kids have been if you inadvertently exposed it and then got thrown out of not only the park but off of the property?
https://www.yahoo.com/travel/disney-installing-metal-detectors-at-theme-parks-172739769.html
That should put an end to this discussion