One in chamber? Yes / No
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ezkl2230
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Considering that the bad guy will have one in the chamber when he approaches you, doesn't it make sense to be al least as prepared? The good guy is already at a disadvantage at the start of a confrontation; he has to take the initiative from the bad guy. Why further disadvantage yourself be carrying a firearm with an empty chamber?
AndeyHall
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I tend to only like sausage biscuits when it's deer sausage.
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AndeyHall
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As someone stated before, even though you are correct that one should be in the chamber, criminals are idiots and their example should not be followed.
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ezkl2230
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Has nothing to do with following their example. It has everything to do with knowing how your enemy is likely to come at you, with what kinds of weapons, and in what condition those weapons are likely to be (loaded/unloaded). We can't necessarily keep them from coming in the first place, but we CAN anticipate to some degree HOW they are likely to come at us and take steps to give them as little advantage for as briefly as possible.
wolf_fire
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There have been a small percentage of firearms that have had problems with them straight out of the gate. The only firearm I would not load and carry with me is the firearm that I haven't personally tested first. Also, many guns come with over lubrication in addition to grease in the barrel from the manufacturer. It is highly recommended to field strip and clean your weapon, especially the barrel of this obstruction, before attempting to use the firearm. I could not trust any firearm without first putting it through its paces at the firing range.
kwimby
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Try viewing the proposition in terms of the possibility of a negligent discharge vs. the possibility of a personal defense situation (PDS) arising.
You handle the weapon every day. PDS happens for the typical CCW holder almost... wait for it... NEVER.
Some people just like to take their chances based on calculated risk.
You handle the weapon every day. PDS happens for the typical CCW holder almost... wait for it... NEVER.
Some people just like to take their chances based on calculated risk.
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ezkl2230
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I see you're still out shilling for Bloomy, Brady and the rest of that crowd. Let's see what the hard data have to say about your speculation.
John Lott, Don Kates, and Gary Kleck are the acknowledged experts in this field. Their research is peer reviewed, and is considered to be solid enough that it was included in the "firearms violence" report commissioned by Obama (which, BTW, actually DISPROVED Obama's belief that gun control is necessary) after Newtown - and it says you're full of it.
Firearms owners deploy their firearms in lawful self defense on the order of nearly.. wait for it.. TWO MILLION TIMES EVERY YEAR. Over 6,000 times EVERY DAY.
Did you get that?
Two million is a long way from "never."
In 98% of cases, just displaying the firearm is enough to de-escalate a self-defense situation, but the remaining percentage means that, according to their research, the gun-carrying civilians you've been dissing kill about 3,000 bad guys each year - more than cops do.
And guess what? The CIVILIANS are safer. Cops kill innocent victims in 11% of their shootings, versus 2% in lawful, civilian self-defense shootings.
Did you get that? You're actually safer around most of the folks on this forum when the stuff hits the fan than you are if the police respond to the situation.
And BTW, the idea of allowing civilians to carry as the solution to criminal violence was also affirmed by none other than than Ron Noble, the head of Interpol, in a recent interview with lamestream media giant ABC.
That is the hard data.
Next time, try doing a little research from credible sources before you spew that tripe that passes for "informed opinion" with you.
AndeyHall
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http://youtu.be/HQfzwFloVqA
(I couldn't help but re-use this again. It just seemed like the perfect place for it)
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gunnerbob
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Heh... seems you're pulling your knowledge of self defense situations from the same place you pull your knowledge of the financial world, your a$$.
HD-kutz
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I have to laugh at these threads. They are generally full of cyber-gunfighters that are just here for the blanket party.
The same ones that will call you names for how you carry are the ones that carry with a level 2 zillion retention holster and a boat load of clothing and jackets to move. If you carry empty chamber I would assume if you feel a situation or a place is a risk a round would be chambered rather then wait till a threat presents itself.
Then there are the carry a brick knuckleheads..................................
kb0wzh
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I always have, that is until I moved from NE to NJ! They are a may issue state and getting a CCW is almost impossible! But for the time I did always. As for saftey, it is completely safe. You just have to practice drawing and re holstering, and just keep your finger off the trigger! In the service I carried locked and cocked with thumb break strap under the hammer as it was a Colt 45.
Coyote Blue
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Yes. Always one in the chamber on my Glock 36, .45 ACP.
XD40scinNC
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Israeli troops/cops are in groups, 2 or more. If one does not have both hands free to chamber a round, one of the other members of the group probably will have both hands free and can chamber a round. I typically don't have backup.
I have 2 pistols I switch between carrying and they are both chambered and ready to go. Ruger SR9c and Ruger LCP. I also have my Glock 19 in a safe in the bedroom that is always ready to go.
For the home defense side, the only gun I keep ready but not chambered is the Mossberg 12ga. I do that with the thought that if I have time to get it I'll have time to rack it (plus I'll have a pistol in my hand or at my side first) and hopefully that sound will make them think twice before continuing to do whatever it is they are trying to do.
For the home defense side, the only gun I keep ready but not chambered is the Mossberg 12ga. I do that with the thought that if I have time to get it I'll have time to rack it (plus I'll have a pistol in my hand or at my side first) and hopefully that sound will make them think twice before continuing to do whatever it is they are trying to do.
kwimby
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Kleck's work is scientifically meaningless based on small sampling rates and implausibly large numbers irreconcilable with crime rates or hospital records. Lott's work is similarly flawed with modeling issues involving variables and coding errors as well as systemic bias. Don Kates is just a parasite lawyer who made the gun debate his little niche du-jour.
Credibility? Maybe you should look up the definition of the word.
Absolutely. In moments of crisis, your fine motor skills are going to tank...you don't want to be trying to chamber a round while staring danger in the face. With a good holster and practice, I don't see it as a safety risk. Confidence will come with practice too, so that might help mitigate any fears about having one in the chamber.
I absolutely would recommend it.
I absolutely would recommend it.
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