One in chamber? Yes / No

[bayoujackson]

Yes, like eagleeyes, I take out the mag and put another on in to fill the spot of the one in the chamber, so I am maxed out. Why carry if you aren't ready? You might as well leave the gun in the safe at home. As a child, I grew up in a home where there was always two loaded pistols, one in my Dads bedroom and one by the cash register (My Dad had a Hardware store and we lived above it). I was taught that all guns are loaded, and to never put my finger inside of the trigger guard or to ever point one at anything I wasn't planning to shoot. My Dad taught me how to check the gun to see if it was loaded, how to load and unload it, and how the safety functioned. He also made it very clear to and my Sisters that if we ever touched it, for any reason other than self defense, we would suffer his consequences. All long guns were kept unloaded and ammo stored separately close by in the closet with the long guns. We had no gun safe then and hadn't ever heard of one. His showing us how to handle, clean and letting us shoot it, while under his supervision, which took all the curiosity out of a gun being in the house. I am 66 years old, how did I ever make it, with no child seats, no seat belts, no air bags, no safety caps on Medicine bottles etc. You can't fix stupid.
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[BuddhaKat]

No it's not a silly comparison.


I have children in my home.


Also, my situational awareness is superior, and I don't say that out of arrogance. I 'feel' uncomfortable or sense danger long before it comes close to me.


I carry with the full expectation and intent to kill if necessary, something I resolved long ago. I have no delusions of grandeur, but I do possess confidence.

FWIW, my revolvers remain holstered, always.

All my superior situational awareness does for me is give me time to tick the safety off. The other day the wife and I were having lunch in a Burger King . I walked in with my 45 on my hip, as normal, and when one the two girls behind the counter saw it she asked me if it was legal to carry a gun in public. I took the opportunity to educate her and her companion about how it is legal in NV for anyone over 21, who is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a gun, to carry openly, without a concealed weapons permit. I think I did a good public service with them as they both were enthusiastic about their own self defense. (Mission accomplished). We sat down to eat and after a few minutes I hear a guy getting loud and belligerent up at the counter. I looked up and here were two guys, looked like they both were gangstas, prison tats and all. One of them was going off on the girl I was just talking to. I don't inject myself into these situations easily because I don't see myself as a 'crime fighter' keeping the streets of Reno safe, so I just let her deal with the guy. She was the manager after all and all he was doing was bitchin' and cussin'. Then he started getting close to crossing the line. As long as he was just mouthing off I wasn't going to get involved, but when it looked like he was going to get physical, that's when I reached down and clicked off the safety. Fortunately, loudmouth decided to leave without incident. No shots fired. The gal behind the counter later told me that she was just praying that I wouldn't leave.

 

[whodat2710]

Outlaw,

An interesting thing I picked up on in your "Because I have" post might also apply to the Open Carry forum. As a Coast Guard LEO, we always assume there is a weapon. On the water you can petty much count on 911 not doing much for you (if you have a signal). We also don't go ape$hit if someone has a weapon. We simply ask them immediately "without reaching for them or touching them, do you have any weapons on board?" More often than not they do. We secure the weapon, "politely" if they are carrying, and make it safe. We then return it before we leave, and let them know where we stowed the magazine or rounds. I have NEVER secured a weapon that did not have a round in the chamber, unless it was a shotgun. We also have to clear every boat we go on before anything else, no matter how large.

 

[walt629]

Yes always. When the time comes you won't have enough time to rack a round. And if you do have time to rack a round, it's not the time.

 

[Koolbota]

All my superior situational awareness does for me is give me time to tick the safety off. The other day the wife and I were having lunch in a Burger King . I walked in with my 45 on my hip, as normal, and when one the two girls behind the counter saw it she asked me if it was legal to carry a gun in public. I took the opportunity to educate her and her companion about how it is legal in NV for anyone over 21, who is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a gun, to carry openly, without a concealed weapons permit. I think I did a good public service with them as they both were enthusiastic about their own self defense. (Mission accomplished). We sat down to eat and after a few minutes I hear a guy getting loud and belligerent up at the counter. I looked up and here were two guys, looked like they both were gangstas, prison tats and all. One of them was going off on the girl I was just talking to. I don't inject myself into these situations easily because I don't see myself as a 'crime fighter' keeping the streets of Reno safe, so I just let her deal with the guy. She was the manager after all and all he was doing was bitchin' and cussin'. Then he started getting close to crossing the line. As long as he was just mouthing off I wasn't going to get involved, but when it looked like he was going to get physical, that's when I reached down and clicked off the safety. Fortunately, loudmouth decided to leave without incident. No shots fired. The gal behind the counter later told me that she was just praying that I wouldn't leave.

I left the cesspool 5 years ago.

If I pull my FiveseveN it will be racked as it leave the holster.

20 rounds and no need to load one extra.

Watch-

 

[the dark]

I left the cesspool 5 years ago.

If I pull my FiveseveN it will be racked as it leave the holster.

20 rounds and no need to load one extra.

Lots of luck with racking that slide if you happen to be guarding/fending with your off hand when you need to draw and fire from retention.

 

[Koolbota]

Lots of luck with racking that slide if you happen to be guarding/fending with your off hand when you need to draw and fire from retention.

I'll continue to take my chances.

Sorry I said anything........to each his own.

 

[cluznar]

Can not see how anyone would want to take the chance of racking a round in a defense situation. You can bet the bad guy has a round racked. I saw a video of a robbery in a jewelry store where the clerk grabbed a gun and had to rack a round. The bad guy got the first shot off, then the clerk fired but seemed worried and missed, the bad guy actually came closer and shot and killed him. Keep a round in the chamber, and once you pull that gun shoot until the threat is cleared, don't stand there and hope the first shot you fire scares the bad guy, shoot him.

:big_boss:

 

[Koolbota]

Can not see how anyone would want to take the chance of racking a round in a defense situation. You can bet the bad guy has a round racked. I saw a video of a robbery in a jewelry store where the clerk grabbed a gun and had to rack a round. The bad guy got the first shot off, then the clerk fired but seemed worried and missed, the bad guy actually came closer and shot and killed him. Keep a round in the chamber, and once you pull that gun shoot until the threat is cleared, don't stand there and hope the first shot you fire scares the bad guy, shoot him.

:big_boss:

Widely known fact, even among LEOs-

21 feet is the range of a knife attack, one cannot draw a sidearm fast enough before being stabbed.

So........


My first defense? stay away from trouble.

Personal Safety Expert Professor Arthur Cohen introduced me to the concept known as Tueller’s drill. It is a drill which shows that most people can cover 21 feet in about 1.5 seconds. Sgt. Dennis Tueller of Salt Lake City Police Department conducted experiments which let to the conclusion that an attacker with a knife in his hand covers 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. Therefore anything under 21 feet is considered to be in the zone of “imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.” In other words a person with a knife or any edged weapon is a direct and imminent threat to you if that person is within 21 feet (7 yards). Research shows that a person with a knife who is closer than 7 yards can stab or cut you before you can stop them with a gun. Most police officers, even with the gun already in hand, cannot hit a target twice before the “assailant” can cover 10 yards. Cutting that distance down to around 7 yards takes lots of practice and training. So, you see, “primitive” weapons are deadly weapons. That is why in Krav Maga we spend a lot of time working on knife defense.

http://www.austinselfdefense.com/krav-maga-gun-vs-knife

 

[JohnLM]

Do you keep your car's gas tank empty until you want to drive it?
Do you keep the blades on your knives dull until you need to actually cut something?
Do you only put batteries in your remote controls when you are ready to turn the TV on?
Do you keep your cell phone off until you need to make a call?

Save yourself the trouble and keep your tools ready to be used, including guns.

That's telling it like it is!!:yes4:

 

[Steve Kittel]

My sensei performed the same knife attack drill with me...he was across the dojo and on me with fake knife before I could get the gun out of the small of my back. Situational awareness is the first line of defense...most people just go about their day, clueless to their surroundings...kind of like sheep... Lots of good discussion on this subject. In my original post, I mentioned I didnt have a chambered round while at home. Mainly because my office is upstairs, so I felt I had time to react to any break-in and I also worry about the kids...but that could just be that I haven't carried as long to get comfortable yet and the fact my gun only has a trigger and grip safety (which I dont really consider safeties). Based on what I read, I will consider carrying it with one chambered when I'm out and about now. I guess it really depends on the area in which you live.

 

[HD-kutz]

I saw a video of a robbery in a jewelry store where the clerk grabbed a gun and had to rack a round. The bad guy got the first shot off, then the clerk fired but seemed worried and missed, the bad guy actually came closer and shot and killed him.
:big_boss:

Are you sure that is what you saw. I've seen that video debated by some knowledgeable gun people and not all agree with that scecario. Some said he had a FTF right off the get go and then had to rack.

 

[The_Outlaw]

I'll continue to take my chances.

Sorry I said anything........to each his own.

No, it's not "to each his own"....and if you continue to "take your chances", one day you truly might regret it.

We are not collectivey trying to slam you here, truly we are not...
We are merely trying to share our 'gathered knowledge & experiences' with you in the event that you may ever become a victim of a knife attack/crime. (As I have been.)
Trust me when I say that if you are ever the victim of any sort of robbery, especially a knife attack, you probably won't have enough time to rack the slide and chamber a round...I am not exaggerating this point...it's so very true for most people.

Please watch this (somewhat long) video as another example;

The cops think they are safe because they have guns and they have the suspect outnumbered...they are dead wrong.
The deadly multiple stabbings occurs at the 7:26 mark.

 

[dad45acp]

Widely known fact, even among LEOs-

21 feet is the range of a knife attack, one cannot draw a sidearm fast enough before being stabbed.

So........


My first defense? stay away from trouble.




Krav Maga: Gun vs. Knife | Austin Self Defense

This is PRECISELY why a round must be chambered. Because you can't even draw and shoot in time let alone draw rack, point and shoot. OR if it isn't chambered, you will be unable to draw and shoot from the hip which in the 21ft rule, is all you'll have time for. If you're defending from a knife attack, there's no way you'll have time to rack a round............

 

[Sheldon]

I'll continue to take my chances.

Sorry I said anything........to each his own.

No offense intended but unless you can access, and under duress draw, rack one in the pipe, (click off safety) and get on target in less than 2 seconds....

In a attack...
Your five seven is nothing more than a fancy high end paper weight, that extra one second can cost you your life....

Be safe..

 

[tcox4freedom]

This is PRECISELY why a round must be chambered. Because you can't even draw and shoot in time let alone draw rack, point and shoot. OR if it isn't chambered, you will be unable to draw and shoot from the hip which in the 21ft rule, is all you'll have time for. If you're defending from a knife attack, there's no way you'll have time to rack a round............

Plus 1+

One more thing-
Even if you are able to get a round or two in a knife wielding BG, there is still the real possibility of being cut up, stabbed or even killed before the encounter is over.

(That's why having a firearm is not enough. You also need to have some basic hth skills that may help you deflect the initial attack & employ other countermeasures to survive.)

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[HD-kutz]

These discussions get more bizarre the more they go on. The same guys that are dead set on +1 are also the same ones with a shirt tucked in or a jacket to move or a high level of retention that under duress may not operate all that smoothly.
I would rather walk through the valley of death with a partner that has a high degree of situaltion awareness and an easily accessible weapon that needs to be racked then some ninja numskull without a clue as to street smarts. JMHO

 

[The_Outlaw]

These discussions get more bizarre the more they go on. The same guys that are dead set on +1 are also the same ones with a shirt tucked in or a jacket to move or a high level of retention that under duress may not operate all that smoothly.
I would rather walk through the valley of death with a partner that has a high degree of situaltion awareness and an easily accessible weapon that needs to be racked then some ninja numskull without a clue as to street smarts. JMHO

Have you actually 'read' any of the posts that we have made on this topic?
Have you even watched any of the videos that we have posted?
Are you here to 'contribute & learn' @ this forum?
Or are you here to just Bloviate??

 

[Sheldon]

These discussions get more bizarre the more they go on. The same guys that are dead set on +1 are also the same ones with a shirt tucked in or a jacket to move or a high level of retention that under duress may not operate all that smoothly.
I would rather walk through the valley of death with a partner that has a high degree of situaltion awareness and an easily accessible weapon that needs to be racked then some ninja numskull without a clue as to street smarts. JMHO

Why would you make that false assumption, No we arent... unless you have a poll or something to verify that please re think...

My wife that on the advice of a acquaintance decided not to carry one in the pipe, has her CCW so buried in her purse.... not good, not good at all....

 

[HD-kutz]

No sorry to say I haven't read your posts nor are my posts related to anything you posted. This discussion goes on in every gun forum on the net and since it is the net we are obviously all experts.