God & the Bible, squaring belief with reality

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It is mentioned in the thread to the effect of, we have the technology and capability to end suffering in the world.

I don't know that we do. I don't know that it can be ended at all. The context of Christ stating "you will always have the poor" is not exactly what we are talking about...but he did say "you will ALWAYS have the poor".

I think that there are always people willing to be destitute, and always people willing to make and keep them that way. (how much foreign aid actually gets to the starving people it is intended for?) Christ usually spoke of people in terms of sheep (Peter, tend my flock). Domesticated sheep are some of the stupidest animals alive. They seem to have no sense of survival whatsoever and totally depend on the sheepherder.

If you have not seen what the cradle to grave nanny state will do to humanity, you need to crawl out from under the rock you are living under and take a look around. How does the old saying go...."you can buy them books and buy them books and they will try to eat the covers off of them." It is a simple fact, if someone does not earn what they receive, they will not appreciate it....whether it is the poverty-stricken parts of America, of other countries, or something as stupid as a parent giving a child a car or allowance that they did not work for.

Handouts destroy work ethic. "So what" you say? What is "work ethic"? The skills necessary for survival. The work ethic of the hunter-gatherer was going out and getting the family's food. The work ethic of the sustenance farmer was get up every morning and work the farm whether you felt like it or not. Put either in a situation where they do not have to work for their family's survival for a few generations, what are the chances that the grandchildren will have the drive or the skills to do it?

Take a look at pretty much any inner-city housing projects and you have the answer. Sure, there are some that want a job. There are actually some that get out. But not many.
 
Keep in mind a number of things (speaking as a person with a B.A. in theology)-

Jesus was quoting/summerizing Deut 6. Keep in mind that the same God that said "Love thy neighbor as thyself" also told the nation of Israel to wipe out whole cities- men, women, children, animals, ect. God recognizes there is evil in the world, and that because God is holy and perfect, evil must be judged. He can do that personally as in the case of the flood, but many times uses other nations and/or people to met out that justice. I'm not saying all war and/or conflict is God ordained (that gets into very dangerous assumption, holy wars, ect), but sometimes it is a possiblity

As far caring for those less fortunate- I'm all for a hand up. Most of us are a paycheck away from homelessness. However, a lifestyle of handouts is NOT biblical. The bible says "if a man will not work, he shall not eat", and "If a man will not provide for his relatives, especially his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

Finally, the prohibition against killing found in the Ten Commandments is a bad translation of the Hebrew word for murder. Murder is what the biblical prohibition is about.

I hope that helps.

Exactly correct when it comes to kill vs murder.It seems that the feel good stuff causes people to be expedient in their self education as opposed to really understanding what is meant. So to the OP of this thread, do some serious research into what you think you have read. It's not about killing it's about murder....as they say look it up.
it's not all about "mysticism", a lot of it is about common sense and practicality!
REVMEDIC>>>>>>>> Thank you for throwing a little light so more can see and understand.
 
Ringo, Treo, Outlaw and others on the side of truth. Two thumbs up and thank you. I wish I had time to join this discussion. Thank you brothers


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Bibles like everything else are open to interpretation. We tend to gravitate towards those we agree with.

“Tweaking the Scriptures”- Ron Graham

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” 2 Timothy 3:16. The phrase “given by inspiration of God” comes from the Greek word “theopneustos”, which actually means God breathed. The above verse is a great verse to memorize as its truth is sure. Still, we must beware of “Tweaking of Scriptures” which occurs frequently these days. The corruption of God’s word is an ongoing, ever increasing, supernatural satanic attack. Even Bible publishers corrupt God’s truth. They’ve now included gender neutral changes as well as eliminating references to the Trinity.

“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” Genesis 2:17. Even Eve did a little “Tweaking of Scriptures”. In the following verse we find Eve adding to the commandment God gave Adam. “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.” Genesis 3:3. Some of Eve’s descendants have perfected the art of “Tweaking the Scriptures” to a science.

A good bit of “Tweaking of Scriptures” has been accomplished by men who are intent on eliminating God from His own Creation process (Before I venture any further, let me just say that all “Tweaking” of God’s original inerrant word is satanic). The theory of evolution supplants God’s authority over mankind as well as the rest of His creation. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” Genesis 1:1. This verse doesn’t set well with those who believe in the theory of evolution. Many who profess to be Christian believe in evolution, and since they believe in evolution, in any form, to them God’s word is either filled with errors or God is just a liar.

Paintings depicting our Lord Jesus is just another attempts at “Tweaking the scriptures”. Many simply assume these paintings represent a fairly accurate portrayal of His likeness and dismiss the fact that they are only an artist’s point of view. Mankind has no God breathed word that tells us that Jesus ever posed for such a portrait. As a matter of fact, Jesus Himself placed prohibition against such things. “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above…” Exodus 20:4. For centuries artists have been using their creative prowess to sculpt statues (graven images) of our Lord Jesus which we can now find standing in church courtyards and on tops of mountains around the world. How did the second Commandment become so irrelevant to so many? Sometimes I wonder how many Christians even understand the Ten Commandments. God’s principles never change.

In truth, no one really knows what our Lord looked like. Jesus was visible to multitudes of people as He ministered to the masses and promoted His Kingdom, but there was no way of capturing His portrait nor was there any need. None of those who followed Him thought He would disappear from their presence so quickly. We can’t even imagine how He looked in those days, nor are we supposed to.

The Roman Catholic Church has perfected the use of the “graven image” to represent our Lord. They keep Christ’s image on a cross as some sort of remembrance, even though God said not to do so. I’ve often wondered why they keep my Lord on that ugly cross, which was the instrument of His death. It’s His resurrection we celebrate. There is nothing wrong with a cross as representation of a person’s walk with our Lord, but don’t put Jesus back up there. He’s not going to die for His creation again, nor is He dying perpetually – Tetelestai – it’s done, finished.

In homes of believers we can find pictures of what is supposed to be the likeness of Messiah Jesus. We even see this in many of the buildings where Christians go to worship our Lord. We’ve all seen pictures or visited the Sistine Chapel and Michelangelo’s representation of God. But considering God’s prohibition, does anyone believe He ordained that particular fresco? Anything Satan can do to corrupt the word of God or to divert humanities attention away from God he’ll do. God says don’t do it – Satan says do. These things may seem trivial to many, but little by little and year after year more of God’s word becomes insignificant as the “Tweaking” continues unabated.

When we see Cherubs portrayed as cute little children, most of the time bearing wings, the “Tweaking of Scriptures” continues. They’re painted and sculpted cleverly to resemble a child flying about holding a bow and arrow. Yet the Bible tells us that the Cherub is the highest in the hierarchy of angels. These are the leaders in the supernatural realm of angels. The Garden of Eden was protected by a Cherub. That Cherub wasn’t put there to block Adam or his descendants from entering the Garden, any regular angel could have been assigned that task. He was placed there so Lucifer and his horde of fallen misfits would be unable to re-enter the Garden. Cherubs are fierce. Michael the archangel, the one who does battle with Satan in Heaven and defeats him, is a Cherub as is Lucifer.

Another not so obvious attempt at moving people away from the truth of God’s word is this. Almost every time we see angels depicted in the media these days we see them as women. Apart from the blatant disobedience concerning the second Commandment (or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above…) how is it that there are no female angels spoken of in the Scriptures, yet man has created female angels to represent God’s messengers.

Angels are always presented in the Scriptures as masculine, never feminine. In the book of Genesis and that of Job we read about the sons of God (bene HaElohiym). “That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair…” Genesis 6:2. (The truth of this chapter has also been “Tweaked” by many who prefer to sugarcoat God’s word rather than letting it speak for itself). Bene Ha Elohiym are angels, whether godly or fallen, and always sons never daughters.

“Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them” Job 1:6.” Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD” Job 2:1. “When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” Job 38:7. This last verse tells of the sons of God shouting for joy at the creation. They were with God while He created everything in this universe, and there were no daughters of God mentioned.

Another pointed reference to angels only resembling men is “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them;” Genesis 19:1. Now let’s see how the men of Sodom perceived these two angels “…And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.” Genesis 19:5. Two angels were sent by God to give safe escort to Lot and his family out of Sodom before its destruction. The two cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, as well as the surrounding smaller villages, were overrun with homosexuality. The men of Sodom wanted to “know them” (the two angels) which in the Scriptures is a term used of sexual intercourse. Whenever angels appear in the Scriptures they resemble men. That’s why these homosexual men of Sodom saw them as attractive.

This leads us to more “Tweaking of Scriptures”, this time coming from those who insist that God has no problem with homosexuality. The opinion that homosexuality is acceptable to God might leave some scratching their head in wonderment as to why He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Obviously the promotion of homosexuality today is widespread. These deceived folks will not stop until this abomination is fully condoned and accepted as normal in every society around the world. And lest we forget, homosexuality was unashamedly accepted in Lot’s day also. The practice of homosexuality was so repugnant to our perfect God that He destroyed, not only Sodom and Gomorrah, but all the surrounding cities involved in this abomination. We can look back into the history of numerous civilizations and find the reason for their collapse being the pervasiveness of homosexuality. America cannot be far behind. God’s principles never change – yet the “Tweaking of Scripture” continues.

The Bible has been “Tweaked” to the point that it is seen today as only a fairytale, which of course means anything goes. “…Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?” 1 Corinthians 5:6. Throughout the Scriptures leaven is representative of sin, and in each of these cases just presented, we see the never ending “Tweaking of the Scriptures” spreading like leaven.

Everyone has seen the caricatures in Sunday school class of Noah’s Ark. They are usually presented as a funny, distorted looking little boat with its cargo of animals sticking out from all angles, most prominent is usually the head and neck of the giraffe protruding from the very top of the boat. These are used to teach the little children about the flood of Noah. But they are so destructive in their erroneous presentation. The sin that is covered up these days by Bible teachers who continue to point to these ridiculous characters was so egregious to God that He was forced to destroy the whole world. When the word of God is watered down and “Tweaked” even fairytales become more believable.

These are but a few things that get distorted over time and diminish the validity of the Bible. But there are many more instances of “Tweaking”, and more importantly there is a purpose to all this corruption and deceptiveness. Satan wants nothing more than to convince humanity that the Word of God should be seen as ridiculous, or at the very least insignificant to mankind. With the promotion of the above examples as truth many have begun to shun the Bible seeing it now only as myth or filled with fables. Satan is succeeding in his attempt to discredit God’s word and he has taken his deception one step further.

How do most human beings perceive Satan himself? Do we see him as real or fiction? Is he seen as the most significant evil threat to all humanity, or is he seen merely as a fictional cartoon character?

What Satan has been able to accomplish over the years is to provide for himself a surrogate personage, a phony devil if you will, to stand in his place until he is ready to reveal himself to mankind. The surrogate has a very different look and demeanor. Satan obfuscates the truth by inventing a cartoon character to represent himself, thus nullifying his existence. Satan is viewed by many today as a fictional dastardly red dude with funny little horns, a pointed tail, holding a pitchfork, and standing among a sea of flames. But the real Satan - and he is real - will soon present himself to mankind in a very different light.

By studying the Scriptures we’re shown a different side of Satan and brought to a very different conclusion concerning the number one nemesis of God and man. “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:” 1 Peter 5:8. As long as people see Satan as nothing more than a fictional cartoon character he’ll continue to build a following of deceived individuals. While devouring souls, Satan will continue his relentless attacks on God’s Holy Scriptures with his attempts at changing them into nothing more than fairytales.

There is much more “Tweaking the Scriptures” occurring than what I’ve been able to include in this commentary. Sometimes Christians can be their own worst enemy, believing what feels good about the Scriptures and dismissing what doesn’t fit their preconceived ideas. “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” Galatians 6:7.

God bless you all,

Ron Graham
 
Finally absorbed the thread. Outlaw, I had to come back to this post.

My pastor believes that present-day miracles like these should be shared again and again. These are the kind of miracles that allow others to open up and witness their own miracles, thus strengthening the Faith of all. Personally, reading it gives me chills and chokes me up trying to imagine what fear and what love in that instant changed you from atheist to believer. Surely God has a role for you to play in sharing this, NEVER stop telling it no matter how many people laugh or whatever. If you tell it 1000 times, and it makes a believer of just one person, you will be largely blessed. What if that person happens to be a great leader to takes millions of people to Jesus Christ!

If I sound a little jealous, I am....as I said up the page, I have never had a white light experience, I have believed since I was a young child. My Faith and spirituality grows, and has actually grown more in the past couple of years than in the previous 40, but I have no experience where I can put a finger on it and say "I was saved in that moment". I think that I have a small inferiority complex LOL.

Amen brother! You must!

We must be related lol. Well, actually you are now a saint in the Biblical sense, just not the modern sense. If we were perfect we would not need Jesus Christ. But we ain't. I have a long way to go, though I have been working hard at it for at least 25 years. The things you mention are holding me back to get to where I want to be, I'm afraid.

I think that it is a common thing for today's newly saved Christians to not want to affiliate with a church. Lots of scandal out there, lots of naysayers too. Some of it is Satan generated. But we as Christians are supposed to congregate, as Paul points out in 1 Corinthians.

The "gathering", also known as "the Communion of Saints", is one of the beautiful mysteries of God that Paul says that we are stewards of. A gathering of Christians here on earth in communion with those who have already passed.

I personally have never grown spiritually while not in church, but that's just me. Only recently has personal reading of the Bible really done a lot for me, and I feel that is mainly because I have had a lot of guidance over the past few years in that area. Bluessinger has a "personal trainer" that really works out for him.

Thank you for the very kind words!
I truly appreciate your sincere input on this subject.
I do believe in my heart that you have allready been saved by what you have said in your posts. =-)
 
Thank you for the very kind words!
I truly appreciate your sincere input on this subject.
I do believe in my heart that you have allready been saved by what you have said in your posts. =-)

Its not over until the fat lady sings. He/she is not saved yet.
 
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Treo, I should have known better than to believe your words when the first response from your heart begins by using God's name in vain.

Are you going to call Outlaw a liar in this thread too?

Oh, well, your initial post in this thread was good.

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It is mentioned in the thread to the effect of, we have the technology and capability to end suffering in the world.

I don't know that we do. I don't know that it can be ended at all. The context of Christ stating "you will always have the poor" is not exactly what we are talking about...but he did say "you will ALWAYS have the poor".

I think that there are always people willing to be destitute, and always people willing to make and keep them that way. (how much foreign aid actually gets to the starving people it is intended for?) Christ usually spoke of people in terms of sheep (Peter, tend my flock). Domesticated sheep are some of the stupidest animals alive. They seem to have no sense of survival whatsoever and totally depend on the sheepherder.

If you have not seen what the cradle to grave nanny state will do to humanity, you need to crawl out from under the rock you are living under and take a look around. How does the old saying go...."you can buy them books and buy them books and they will try to eat the covers off of them." It is a simple fact, if someone does not earn what they receive, they will not appreciate it....whether it is the poverty-stricken parts of America, of other countries, or something as stupid as a parent giving a child a car or allowance that they did not work for.

Handouts destroy work ethic. "So what" you say? What is "work ethic"? The skills necessary for survival. The work ethic of the hunter-gatherer was going out and getting the family's food. The work ethic of the sustenance farmer was get up every morning and work the farm whether you felt like it or not. Put either in a situation where they do not have to work for their family's survival for a few generations, what are the chances that the grandchildren will have the drive or the skills to do it?

Take a look at pretty much any inner-city housing projects and you have the answer. Sure, there are some that want a job. There are actually some that get out. But not many.

fstroupe, thank you for your fantastic comments. Your point of view is welcomed. and similar to what you said- there has been some outstanding participation by a bunch of good folks on here. It certainly reinforces my belief that are good people in this world.


I've been considering how to respond to you for a day or so..unfortunately you can type faster than I can think..lol

not to narrow the discussion- but to keep it manageable in my mind, I'll start here.

You say that you don't know if we have the ability to end suffering, I say we haven't even tried-
Consider the money, time & lives we have dedicated to murdering our neighbors on the other side of the world, Im not going to look it up, but it has to be in the 100's of billions and probably trillions.
What if that time & money was spent creating an alternate energy source?..clean & reliable, and provided to every human? like the old "manhattan project" where the best & brightest were recruited to solve a problem- all resources were dedicated to it and if memory serves me..in 2 years the goal was realized.

Now I say, what is more in line with Jesus & the Father? keeping in mind the Grace He has shown you & I.

Spending our resources to drop bombs? or to create equality? I mean, we give our bombs away for free right? fly over..kaboom!...all the time & effort are spent with no useful value.
why would free energy be so hard to live with? and for the same amount we spend currently- only now with a return on our investment.. as the scarcity of the resource is removed it's allows time to pursue more valuable goals..including but not limited to.. spirituality and solving other issues.

We are on a course of self destruction..a path of greed, deceit, injustice & depravity. There is a better way, but the gate is narrow.

Thank you again for your contributions, I believe discussions like this are the first step in moving forward.
 
Treo, I should have known better than to believe your words when the first response from your heart begins by using God's name in vain.

God's name isn't "God"

Are you going to call Outlaw a liar in this thread too?

Why would I? I haven't called anyone in this thread a liar


Oh, well, your initial post in this thread was good.

Thank you. I am absolutely convinced that God gave me the words.

The Bible makes it quite clear that we reap exactly (in type) what we sow, there is no place in the Bible that says I can intentionally break a law and not expect to receive the consequences of that.
 
God's name isn't "God"



Why would I? I haven't called anyone in this thread a liar




Thank you. I am absolutely convinced that God gave me the words.

The Bible makes it quite clear that we reap exactly (in type) what we sow, there is no place in the Bible that says I can intentionally break a law and not expect to receive the consequences of that.

Like the Jews when they gave up their right of self protection because of the "law" and subjected their families to the gas chambers? Or maybe have my daughter's face eaten by some nutcase. No thanks. You provide for your family how you please, but don't judge me for me decisions.

I believe God gave me a higher responsibility to protect myself and my family than my responsibility to follow an illegal city regulation.

And I believe referenced to God should be used in seriousness. But thelat is just my opinion.

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Like the Jews when they gave up their right of self protection because of the "law" and subjected their families to the gas chambers? Or maybe have my daughter's face eaten by some nutcase. No thanks. You provide for your family how you please, but don't judge me for me decisions.

I believe God gave me a higher responsibility to protect myself and my family than my responsibility to follow an illegal city regulation.

And I believe referenced to God should be used in seriousness. But thelat is just my opinion.

You went somewhere you knew it was illegal for you to carry a firearm. Your troubles are a direct result of your intentional disregard for that law. It seems to me that if God saw it your way He would have arranged for you not to have gotten caught.
 
Not sure what you two are yapping at each other about, Treo and Accidental.

The conversation seems to have spiralled downward into name calling, which is what all kindergarten kids are expert at.

Keep it up if you both want to look like two kindergarten kids.
 
I have no troubles Treo.

I am blessed beyond my wildest dreams. My story is just to serve as a warning about our rights

Sorry for the hijack. Not intentional.

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fstroupe, thank you for your fantastic comments. Your point of view is welcomed. and similar to what you said- there has been some outstanding participation by a bunch of good folks on here. It certainly reinforces my belief that are good people in this world.l
Good.....only GOD is good! (sorry, I had to do it...it is the very story that started my questioning the English translations of the Bible)


I probably cannot take 100% credit for what I am saying in this thread as the Lord is currently working in my life big time....so much that my head is spinning. Just take that to mean that the good stuff should be credited to Him and the dumb stuff is mine.


I've been considering how to respond to you for a day or so..unfortunately you can type faster than I can think..lol
Yeah, I do that. Unfortunately, I also sometimes type faster than I can think....and say things that I really didn't intend to say.

You say that you don't know if we have the ability to end suffering, I say we haven't even tried-
Consider the money, time & lives we have dedicated to murdering our neighbors on the other side of the world, Im not going to look it up, but it has to be in the 100's of billions and probably trillions.

The oldest "war" going on in this country is not the Global War on Terror or "the War on Drugs". Though no longer known as such by the people in the US Government, the oldest war in this country is "The War on Poverty", which began not long after President Lyndon Baines Johnson's inauguration in 1963 and since most of the programs started in his "Great Society" continue to this day, I must consider this war still in effect.

The "War on Poverty" is an impossibly large series of Federal programs designed to eliminate poverty in this country. It involves literally hundreds of various social programs, some large enough to be congressional bills in themselves (Food Stamps, HUD, "The Projects") and other programs that end up being a couple of lines stuck into a bill that has nothing whatsoever to do with the poor. In other cases there are programs enacted by the federal government and run by the states (Medicaid), and other programs that give money to the states to do what they want (for the poor) with it. Additionally, the states have poured tons of their own money into War on Poverty programs, in 2008 27% of the appx $714 Billion spent on welfare programs came from the states.

Though there are many who will deny it, the catalyst that caused the current recession was a War on Poverty program to create "affordable housing" for the "working poor". In other words, people who could not afford a $75K house were allowed to buy $250K houses. Now all of those houses sit empty and the people that bought them are back living in the projects.

It is impossible to determine how much money has been poured into the "War on Poverty". The Heritage Foundation has come up with what appears to me to be the best researched figure. Keep in mind that though independent, the Heritage Foundation is a conservative-based organization and is likely slightly biased.

Their estimate for the cost of the War on Poverty through 2008 is $15.9 Trillion dollars. (adjusted to 2008 inflation) President Obama has increased spending by approximate 47% per year and to date has spent nearly $2 Trillion dollars, which ups the total to nearly $17 Trillion dollars.

Yet, all wars from the Revolution through the Global War on Terror has cost the American people just under $7 Trillion.


Spending our resources to drop bombs? or to create equality? I mean, we give our bombs away for free right? fly over..kaboom!...all the time & effort are spent with no useful value.
Now, I can't agree with you that our wars have had "no useful value". The Revolution freed us from England. The Civil War ended the institution of slavery. WWI kept the Kaiser from taking over Europe (an oversimplification) WWII stopped Hitler and Tojo from taking over the planet. Korea kept China from spreading their communism over the planet, and Vietnam continued to let them know that we meant business. Desert Storm drove Saddam Hussain from Kuwait, and probably kept Iraq out of Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East. I will let history decide if what we are doing currently ends up being worthwhile, and since my son and my grandson are spending "the best years of their lives" shuttling back and forth from the US to the Middle East, I hope it is.

As far as "creating equality" I just mentioned what we have spent on the "War on Poverty". Today's poverty is a little over 15% of the population, which is exactly what it was in 1964. We as a country have spent more on creating equality than we have on everything else we have spent money on in our 236 years as a country. Yet it has accomplished Nil, Zero, Nada as an overall program.

Hence, I do not think that it is capable to end poverty.

And it is quite narcissistic to think that anyone else in the US Government could have taken that money and spent it a different way and it have worked. Well...no....you could have given the money directly to the people it was spent on and we probably would have done better than broke even.

why would free energy be so hard to live with? and for the same amount we spend currently- only now with a return on our investment.. as the scarcity of the resource is removed it's allows time to pursue more valuable goals..including but not limited to.. spirituality and solving other issues.

What if that time & money was spent creating an alternate energy source?..clean & reliable, and provided to every human? like the old "manhattan project" where the best & brightest were recruited to solve a problem- all resources were dedicated to it and if memory serves me..in 2 years the goal was realized.
I really have no problem with that. Actually Jimmy Carter originated the idea in a joint capitalist/socialist styled venture, and when it became evident that some people were serious about it, OPEC dropped the price of oil per barrel like 2000%, and everyone involved lost interest. To finish that story, the price of gas at the pump did not drop, because other measures that Carter instituted at the same time, designed to punish some and give to others...one of his "wealth redistribution" programs.

Since it is a purely political question, I will put it in political terms.....

I think that the American right would have no real problem with it, although it does not address the problem NOW. In the Manhattan Project, the science had already taken place, they just had to put it into practice. It was merely a theory, but literally the smartest men in the world were looking into it and had already proved the basics. There is no solution to a practical alternative for fossil fuels in the world at this time. Not on a drawing board, not in someone's mind. I personally do not believe that the person has yet been born that will come up with the solution. Windmills, solar panels, pond scum, ethanol, electric, and hybrid, all together, will never solve our problem.

So yes, let's do it. But in the meantime, let's increase our drilling and refining capacity by 1000% or so. Give tax credits and other incentives to greatly increase the use of natural gas. Break ground on 100 or so nuclear power plants by the end of the year. Get our economy rolling, get jobs created, which is a natural form of poverty control. Kind of a cross between the Boone Pickens plan and the Newt Gingrich plan.

Because we could start the Manhattan Project 2012, and wait 10, 20, or 50 years for something to come out of it. We need help NOW!!

But the American left will never have it. People have to be punished. No one must profit except their political cronies. That is clearly evident in everything they say and do.

And every bit of what I just said could be accomplished at 9am EDT in the morning by President Barack Obama with one stroke of the pen. And it could have happened last week, the week before, last year, or on inauguration day.

Do you realize that he has not issued an "Energy Policy".....and his first term is nearly over.

We are on a course of self destruction..a path of greed, deceit, injustice & depravity. There is a better way, but the gate is narrow.

Thank you again for your contributions, I believe discussions like this are the first step in moving forward.
We will not "change course" without a return of our country as a whole to the LORD, both the people and the government. The greed, deceit, injustice, & depravity are all plans of Satan to destroy the only country founded in the history of the world by men asking for God's Blessings. They received those blessings but we (as a country) have squandered them, and allowed Satan to take charge.

I cannot believe that this is not planned by Satan. It is what he does. And said in this thread and many others, this was all predicted. Each American much find his own way back to the Lord, then as a country we must collectively do the same. I'm afraid that we (American Christians) cannot do it ourselves, we need a significant number of those that are lost to find their way back.
 
Its not over until the fat lady sings. He/she is not saved yet.
I hope as according to Paul, I have been chosen by Christ to be in his family. But I still have probably at least a couple of decades to screw that up. As I've said before, I feel that my salvation requires constant attention and the potential for "falling from Grace" is always there.
 
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A naked man allegedly flew into a violent rampage, biting a chunk out of another man's stomach after leaping from his roof onto a truck and urinating inside his home.

Officers responding to the scene needed backup to restrain Jeremiah Aaron Haughee with leg shackles, a spit hood and handcuffs after he continued fighting despite being Tasered five times.
Authorities did not carry out tests on Haughee to see if he was under the influence of any drugs.

Police first arrived at the home in Flagler Beach, Florida at 4.30 a.m. to find two men restraining the naked 22-year-old in a puddle of urine and glass.
I guess that is why I carry a .45 in one hand and the Bible in the other.
 
Sheesh! Do I go on the religious channel and make it about guns? Come on guys, stay on something close to guns. I' know you're on a OFF TOPIC thread but it's boring it's so repetitive and predictable.
 
Sheesh! Do I go on the religious channel and make it about guns? Come on guys, stay on something close to guns. I' know you're on a OFF TOPIC thread but it's boring it's so repetitive and predictable.

I missed the part where you were forced to click on this link Jim
 
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