Alcohol and concealed carry

[SC Tiger]

I don't know if it is illegal to consume alcohol while carrying in SC or not. I do know that it is illegal to carry a firearm in any establishment that serves alcohol, including a restaurant like Applebee's etc.

Also, from my understanding, while SC has a legal blood-alcohol limit of .08 for DUI, if you have any alcohol in your system and get into a wreck and someone is killed, you can be charged with felony DUI. I would assume that the wreck would have to be your fault but I am not sure about that.

Personally I don't see the big deal. To me alcohol and guns do not mix so it is only natural for me to avoid drinking while carrying. While I can see both sides of the issue I don't consider it anything to worry much about. What I do not like is the restriction on carrying a firearm in a business that sells alcohol for on-site consumption (such as a restaurant, which is where it is a major inconvenience to me). I can't carry even if I don't drink. Hopefully SC will change that part of the law soon.

 

[NavyLCDR]

What I do not like is the restriction on carrying a firearm in a business that sells alcohol for on-site consumption (such as a restaurant, which is where it is a major inconvenience to me). I can't carry even if I don't drink. Hopefully SC will change that part of the law soon.

Even though somewhere, sometime, somebody probably said, "But it's for the sake of the children!"

 

[Seeya]

Dram Shop laws in the US make those who serve alcohol to an inebriated person responsible for damages caused by that person.

when was the last time any of them was charged with a crime or lost their priviledge to sell alcohol by dosage . I think Mass. has licensing in place.

 

[nogods]

when was the last time any of them was charged with a crime or lost their priviledge to sell alcohol by dosage . I think Mass. has licensing in place.

The Dram Shop acts impose civil, rather than criminal, liability. Most recent case I know of was a court decision this past March hol;ding the operator of Shea Stadium liable for a drunk that fell on a woman and injured her during a mets game.

Dram shop cases are very common.

 

[Edsworld]

The argument you use to justify DWI laws are the same argument used to justify gun laws. People with guns kill more people the drunk drivers do. So why are you for DWI laws but against gun laws. Because the gun laws affects something you like.
If you liked walking around bare foot and they passed a law against it, You would be pissed. But if they pass a law against wearing shoes you would say a thing because you don't wear shoes any way.

That is the way everybody thinks. Before you know it, walking is against the law.

Freedom: The lack of a specific constraint, or of constraints in general; a state of being free, unconstrained.

Now are you free?

 

[NavyLCDR]

So then I need to ask another question. Did you bring your sheepdog with you?

She's a mean drunk....

 

[rudiepop]

(1) Under the influence of alcohol or any drug or any combination of alcohol and any drug to the extent that it is unsafe for the person to discharge such firearm except in the defense of life, health, and property;

NavyLT post says it all, but only a fool borrows trouble. That is what you would be doing by drinking and carrying.
Booze, drugs and guns do not typically mix well. Do I believe that I could have a couple beers or wine and make rational decisions? Yes. But then that is not the issue is it? You automatically forfiet some of your rights when you consume alcohol. It does not matter if you believe that or not, and it does not matter what the law says. You loose credibility in the courts of the land and you endanger the possible future rights of other armed citizens. If you are going to drink and carry, do it on private property, preferably your own.
JC

 

[pj_england]

2nd Ammendment and alcohol

Back in the day, water was unsafe and beer was because it was boiled. Infringed is an interesting word. Each state has its own law regarding drinking and carrying. I work to change the laws which I believe infringe on my rights. However, I am not going to violate one of the laws which could cause my carry permit to be revoked. My advise is to understand the law where you carry and drink.

My humble opinions are do not mix mind altering chemicals with firearms, which includes alcohol. I think someone ought to only be subject to arrest if their behaviors warrant it and quietly possessing a tool is not a poor behavior. The legislature and courts might disagree with my opinions. I have no legal training nor licenses.

 

[Terminal Lance]

You just have to look into it per individual state. I know most ban it in an establishment that makes 51% or higher of it's profits from alcohol, but here in Indiana there is no law pertaining to carry and alcohol.

 

[B2Tall]

And how is the average person supposed to determine that percentage?

Ask.

 

[Iam2Taz]

And how is the average person supposed to determine that percentage?

ASK?! That is EXACTLY what we were taught when we obtained our license in MO. (Or don't ask. But remember you are on your own and concealed means concealed.) My rule of thumb... If it has a bar in it, they are getting more than 51%. That would mean many of the popular steak houses would be out. (Longhorn, Outback, etc.) I don't bother asking, I just don't go.

On the other side, if I am drinking, I am not carrying a weapon. (Ever) Since I quit drinking when I started carrying, I'm always carrying. My liability insurance may cover a shooting, but it may not cover punitive damages! It is your retirement, do what you want.

 

[SFC]

One should consider that alcohol and firearms is not a wise idea. If you get in an accident or just pulled over and found you were drinking is bad enough, but if you have a firearm may be the worse thing you will experience depending on the judge you get at your hearing. Best thing Do Not Drink and carry a firearm or drive then you will not have to ask

 

[jg1967]

Ask.

Ask whom? The manager? I doubt even he will know.

 

[B2Tall]

Ask whom? The manager? I doubt even he will know.

Yup. The manager should know. Most of the time it's pretty easy to tell without asking. In Florida the law is designed to keep guns out of the party spots where people are getting drunk on a consistent basis. It's not really in place to keep people from having a couple of drinks with a meal.

If you ask a manager and get the OK, you're pretty much in the clear regardless of the actual facts. You've done your part as a conscientous, law-abiding citizen. The state of Florida doesn't expect people to inherently know whether a place that serves alcohol is considered a bar or a restaurant.

 

[jg1967]

Yup. The manager should know. Most of the time it's pretty easy to tell without asking. In Florida the law is designed to keep guns out of the party spots where people are getting drunk on a consistent basis. It's not really in place to keep people from having a couple of drinks with a meal.

If you ask a manager and get the OK, you're pretty much in the clear regardless of the actual facts. You've done your part as a conscientous, law-abiding citizen. The state of Florida doesn't expect people to inherently know whether a place that serves alcohol is considered a bar or a restaurant.

That's refreshingly sensible!