Treo
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Not to be a jerk or anything but are you certain of that?
I'm not disputing you I just think that more permit holders should be conversant on their state laws
Inform the officer or not when concealed carry?
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Not to be a jerk or anything but are you certain of that?
I'm not disputing you I just think that more permit holders should be conversant on their state laws
big cigar
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NYS law on notifying a LEO
I spoke to 3 current NY state troopers, and one former sheriff.
This what thay told me, NOT REQUIRED.
I did not read the law. They all independently stated that they would appreciate being notified up front and not be surprised.
now I am sure that would vary on who they pull over, what the car looks like, and the circumstances. but that was the universal response I got.
I spoke to 3 current NY state troopers, and one former sheriff.
This what thay told me, NOT REQUIRED.
I did not read the law. They all independently stated that they would appreciate being notified up front and not be surprised.
now I am sure that would vary on who they pull over, what the car looks like, and the circumstances. but that was the universal response I got.
mrjam2jab
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It sounds back-assward....but the most restrictive states...NY, NJ, CA, MA...are all non-inform states...:wacko:
Treo
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It actually makes sense when you think about it. They probably don't expext to have anyone actually walking around w/ a gun
Golfbuddy45
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Notifying Officer
As stated in an earlier post the state of North Carolina REQUIRES that you notify any Officer that you have your CCW AND if you are carrying or not.
If he has checked your registration he already knows you have the CCW permit - you must therefore advise him if you have a gun or not. If you do not inform the officer you are subject to fines, loss of CCW privilege and can never granted a CCW permit ever again in the state.
You must also be sure that if you are being stopped you are not in a GUNSAFE ZONE! Last year a trooper pulled a man over for speeding. The road was not government property BUT the man turned into a parking lot on NC State University property. When the officer determined the man did have a weapon he arrested him for having a weapon on School property. The man was imprisoned and fined heavily and the charges were upheld in all the courts even after several appeals.
It is your responsibility to know the laws and during our training the instructors will specifically warn you of these laws - the correct solution when the officer flags you down? Drive to a gas station or somewhere not school or government property. The officers know this and will follow you.
CCW is a privilege in NC and is only granted after completing specific training and extensive background check, minimum of 90 days.
As stated in an earlier post the state of North Carolina REQUIRES that you notify any Officer that you have your CCW AND if you are carrying or not.
If he has checked your registration he already knows you have the CCW permit - you must therefore advise him if you have a gun or not. If you do not inform the officer you are subject to fines, loss of CCW privilege and can never granted a CCW permit ever again in the state.
You must also be sure that if you are being stopped you are not in a GUNSAFE ZONE! Last year a trooper pulled a man over for speeding. The road was not government property BUT the man turned into a parking lot on NC State University property. When the officer determined the man did have a weapon he arrested him for having a weapon on School property. The man was imprisoned and fined heavily and the charges were upheld in all the courts even after several appeals.
It is your responsibility to know the laws and during our training the instructors will specifically warn you of these laws - the correct solution when the officer flags you down? Drive to a gas station or somewhere not school or government property. The officers know this and will follow you.
CCW is a privilege in NC and is only granted after completing specific training and extensive background check, minimum of 90 days.
hp-hobo
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Are you comfortable with concealed carry being treated as a privilege when in fact it should be respected as a right?
Actually, its a maximum of 90 days. The Sheriff in your respective must respond to your application within 90 days.
To Inform of Not to Inform...
Should i ever be stopped, out of courtesy and professionalism, I will simply hand the officer or trooper my license and CCP at the same time. No doubt, he'll ask if I'm carrying and where, and will give ME instructions that will keep him comfortable and safe.
Here's a story I was sent about a guy in a similar situation:
Seems a guy cruises thru a stop sign, and gets pulled over by a local policeman. Guy hands the cop his driver's license, insurance verification, plus his concealed carry permit.
"Okay, Mr. Smith," the cop says, "I see your CCW permit. Are you carrying today?"
"Yes, I am."
"Well then, better tell me what you got."
Smith says, "Well, I got a .357 revolver in my inside coat pocket. There's a 9mm semi-auto in the glove box. And, I've got a .22 magnum derringer in my right boot."
"Okay," the cop says. "Anything else?"
"Yeah, back in the trunk, there's an AR15 and a 12 gage shotgun. That's about it."
"Mr. Smith, are you on your way to or from a gun range...?"
"Nope."
"Well then, what are you afraid of...?"
"Not a darn thing..."
Should i ever be stopped, out of courtesy and professionalism, I will simply hand the officer or trooper my license and CCP at the same time. No doubt, he'll ask if I'm carrying and where, and will give ME instructions that will keep him comfortable and safe.
Here's a story I was sent about a guy in a similar situation:
Seems a guy cruises thru a stop sign, and gets pulled over by a local policeman. Guy hands the cop his driver's license, insurance verification, plus his concealed carry permit.
"Okay, Mr. Smith," the cop says, "I see your CCW permit. Are you carrying today?"
"Yes, I am."
"Well then, better tell me what you got."
Smith says, "Well, I got a .357 revolver in my inside coat pocket. There's a 9mm semi-auto in the glove box. And, I've got a .22 magnum derringer in my right boot."
"Okay," the cop says. "Anything else?"
"Yeah, back in the trunk, there's an AR15 and a 12 gage shotgun. That's about it."
"Mr. Smith, are you on your way to or from a gun range...?"
"Nope."
"Well then, what are you afraid of...?"
"Not a darn thing..."
mrjam2jab
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Your instructor needs to do a better job. In NC, If you are not carry there is no reason to say anything about having a permit.
When I am stopped again, out of courtesy and professionalism, I will present to the officer my driver's license, registration and insurance, and leave my CPL in my wallet and not mention the gun I am carrying. The fact that I choose not to tell a police officer about my legal behavior and possessions is in no way less courteous or less professional. It is simply not raising an issue which has absolutely no legitimate reason to be an issue.
Officer notification
It hasn't happend to me and I've had a permit for three years. However, if stopped I would give the office my lic and permit to show respect for the officer. It would even put him at ease that he is not dealing with a bad ass etc. I have enen heard stories here in Az that officers had given CCW holders a pass.
It hasn't happend to me and I've had a permit for three years. However, if stopped I would give the office my lic and permit to show respect for the officer. It would even put him at ease that he is not dealing with a bad ass etc. I have enen heard stories here in Az that officers had given CCW holders a pass.
big cigar
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I am not saying that automatically I turn over the goods. I am only putting ot out there that my guys would appreciate it. Some stranger, rookie, bad ass may look to hassle or not. I can only say that the law does not require, my experienced trooops would like to know. Others may not. When it comes to a gun you have to uses some whits and good judgement.
Treo
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As has been pointed out this discussion has been visited and revisited on this board, neither side changes their opinion although occasionally an “informer” gets rousted by an anti cop and becomes a non-informer but that’s about the extent of it. I would, however, like to ask this question. If I am a law-abiding citizen, who is by definition, not a threat to the officer, how does my disclosure that I’m armed contribute to officer safety?
Also if whatever you answer is true, why doesn’t my state legislature agree with you?
Also if whatever you answer is true, why doesn’t my state legislature agree with you?
Treo
Bullet Proof
Of 48 states that allow some form of concealed carry, your state is one of 8 that require notification (9 if you count Texas but Texas attaches no penalty for failure to do so).
Perhap my question would be better worded if I asked "Why, if this is such an important thing to do, do so few states have a law on the books?"
hp-hobo
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I love the way people on this forum make up laws that don't exist.
I'm sorry to be the bearer of factual information, but you're state legislature" doesn't agree with you. Title 23, Chapter 31, Section (K) very specifically states;
"A permit holder must have his permit identification card in his possession whenever he carries a concealable weapon. When carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4 of Chapter 31 of Title 23, a permit holder must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that he is a permit holder and present the permit identification card when an officer (1) identifies himself as a law enforcement officer and (2) requests identification or a driver's license from a permit holder. A permit holder immediately must report the loss or theft of a permit identification card to SLED headquarters. A person who violates the provisions of this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined twenty-five dollars."
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The LEO has to identify himself AND he has to ask for identification. Sorry, but facts are sticky things.
This right here is a perfect example of why someone said the other day that it's up to the individual to research and be familiar with their state laws. Apparently you haven't. Fail.
mrjam2jab
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10 states are Must Inform: AK, AR, LA, MI, NC, NE, OH, OK, SC, TX ...but point is valid.
brolin1911a1
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True, categorizing them ALL as BAD is ignorant. But treating them all as potentially bad or dangerous is simply prudent. Just as we treat all guns as loaded so the wise man will treat all cops as potentially bad. That doesn't mean being impolite or obstructionist. That means being respectful but cautious and not giving up any of the rights that we have as citizens.
You have no way of knowing if that cop is looking for some cash to confiscate as "suspected drug money." You have no way of knowing if he or his department have a policy of making life hard for CCW permittees. There is no point in giving him any potential excuses for harassing you should he be looking for one. A great video, by a professor of law and former defense attorney is found in three parts on Youtube.
YouTube - Don't Talk to Cops, Part 1
YouTube - Don't Talk to Cops, Part 2
YouTube - Don't Talk To The Police Even If You Are Innocent Part 3 of 3
These videos make clear that the goal of a cop is to make arrests and clear cases. Justice, guilt, or innocence have nothing to do with his job. And that cop can take the most innocent statements and twist them to prove or justify whatever he or she is out to prove or justify.
Would I tell a cop I'm armed? In Missouri where I live, I am required to tell him if he asks. Otherwise, no, I won't mention it any more than I'd mention that I had an MP3 player, that I have a cell phone, that I have a box of donuts on the back seat, or that I have any other legal possessions with me. Why should I? As a cop who wants to go home after his shift he should assume that ANY occupants of ANY car he stops may be armed and should worry about their behavior rather than the possessions they admit to having.
Inform the officer
As a huge Glock fan, when I was in Austria I toured the factory and bought a Glock sticker which I display on my rear window. I feel it is like a home security sign and hopefully may prevent someone approaching my car door.. This also alerts an officer of my status. However, since he doesn't know me, its both hands visible and an automatic verbal disclaimer. I don't think he needs any surprises considering his on the job risk.
As a huge Glock fan, when I was in Austria I toured the factory and bought a Glock sticker which I display on my rear window. I feel it is like a home security sign and hopefully may prevent someone approaching my car door.. This also alerts an officer of my status. However, since he doesn't know me, its both hands visible and an automatic verbal disclaimer. I don't think he needs any surprises considering his on the job risk.
