What Happens When You Use The Wrong Load In A Muzzle Loader


JimTh said:
So you and Thomas Jefferson are the same type of liberal. You mean you have slaves? Jefferson was marching for abortion rights and homosexual marriage?. Don't flatter yourself. You are nothing like the founding fathers. They were visionarys not socialist reactionarys.
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Like you're a visionary? HA! All I see is a bunch of farts b!t@hing about how bad the other side is. I have yet to see your crowd actually DO anything.
 
Howdy Jim,

JimTh said:
So you and Thomas Jefferson are the same type of liberal. You mean you have slaves? Jefferson was marching for abortion rights and homosexual marriage?. Don't flatter yourself. You are nothing like the founding fathers. They were visionarys not socialist reactionarys.
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Troll somewhere else.

Paul

P.S. If you'll go to the OT section there is a thread about trolls.
 
I think sten may have several monikers to see if anybody really appreciates any of his personalities.
 
Unlike the majority of shooters I think, I learned to shoot with a flintlock. First firearm I ever shot was a flintlock pistol. First long gun I ever shot was a flintlock rifle. Still often hunt with a flintlock smoothbore musket. Teaches you that the first shot counts. You only have one shot, get close to your target, make it count, 'cause your target isn't going to wait around for you to reload. But a lot of people I see with 'modern' muzzleloaders don't really understand shooting with black powder and don't realize that virtually none of the muzzleloader barrels, modern or not, are made to take the pressures generated by smokeless powder. You can find quite a number of examples where people loaded smokeless powder in a gun made for black powder and had the same basic result as this link. Just because a modern muzzleloader may look like a modern rifle and has a scope on it doesn't mean it is made like a modern rifle, if the barrel is marked "Black Powder Only", ONLY use black powder! Or you may end up like this guy.
 
Howdy,

TrapperBob said:
Unlike the majority of shooters I think, I learned to shoot with a flintlock. First firearm I ever shot was a flintlock pistol. First long gun I ever shot was a flintlock rifle. Still often hunt with a flintlock smoothbore musket. Teaches you that the first shot counts. You only have one shot, get close to your target, make it count, 'cause your target isn't going to wait around for you to reload. But a lot of people I see with 'modern' muzzleloaders don't really understand shooting with black powder and don't realize that virtually none of the muzzleloader barrels, modern or not, are made to take the pressures generated by smokeless powder. You can find quite a number of examples where people loaded smokeless powder in a gun made for black powder and had the same basic result as this link. Just because a modern muzzleloader may look like a modern rifle and has a scope on it doesn't mean it is made like a modern rifle, if the barrel is marked "Black Powder Only", ONLY use black powder! Or you may end up like this guy.
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Some of the modern inline muzzle loaders have much stronger barrels than the old cheaper cap lock guns.

When I was 14yo I got a .45 caliber CVA Kentucky rifle kit for Christmas. Between myself, my two brothers and others we fired over 3,000 rounds through it and my stepdad even killed a couple of deer with it when Arkansas first had a black powder deer season.

I've also built a Dixie Arms 1861 .36 cal. Navy revolver and a 1858 .44 cal. Remington.

Today my stepsister has the Kentucky rifle, my BIL has the Navy revolver and I have the Remington.

One of the things that always impressed me with the BP guns is how accurate they are IF you were constistant with your loads. With teenage eyeballs I could hit clay pigeons with the Kentucky rifle over 90% of the time at 150 yards.

Heck, even the Remington would shoot sub 4" groups at 25 yards.

To steal the words from Steve Earle: "My very first pistol was a Cap-N-Ball Colt. Shoots as fast as lightening but loads a might slow."

Paul
 
Stengun said:
Howdy,



Some of the modern inline muzzle loaders have much stronger barrels than the old cheaper cap lock guns.

When I was 14yo I got a .45 caliber CVA Kentucky rifle kit for Christmas. Between myself, my two brothers and others we fired over 3,000 rounds through it and my stepdad even killed a couple of deer with it when Arkansas first had a black powder deer season.

I've also built a Dixie Arms 1861 .36 cal. Navy revolver and a 1858 .44 cal. Remington.

Today my stepsister has the Kentucky rifle, my BIL has the Navy revolver and I have the Remington.

One of the things that always impressed me with the BP guns is how accurate they are IF you were constistant with your loads. With teenage eyeballs I could hit clay pigeons with the Kentucky rifle over 90% of the time at 150 yards.

Heck, even the Remington would shoot sub 4" groups at 25 yards.

To steal the words from Steve Earle: "My very first pistol was a Cap-N-Ball Colt. Shoots as fast as lightening but loads a might slow."

Paul
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You consider that accurate?:wacko: Accurate is 1" at 100 yards or better. You are shooting 16" groups at 100 yards which is not very good at all. In fact, that would miss a man size target with 2 shots out of 3 times.
 
S&W645 said:
You consider that accurate?:wacko: Accurate is 1" at 100 yards or better. You are shooting 16" groups at 100 yards which is not very good at all. In fact, that would miss a man size target with 2 shots out of 3 times.
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I could be mistaken, but the 4" groups @ 25 yards may be from the cap & ball revolver. Which imo 4" is doing pretty good for that kind of gun.

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Howdy GryHounnd,

GryHounnd said:
I could be mistaken, but the 4" groups @ 25 yards may be from the cap & ball revolver. Which imo 4" is doing pretty good for that kind of gun.

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Yep, from the Remington 1858 .44 cal. Cap-N-Ball revolver being shot off handed w/out a rest.

Paul
 
Howdy S&W645,

S&W645 said:
You consider that accurate?:wacko: Accurate is 1" at 100 yards or better. You are shooting 16" groups at 100 yards which is not very good at all. In fact, that would miss a man size target with 2 shots out of 3 times.
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Dang Dude! Where in hell did you buy or could build a black powder Cap-N-Ball revolver that could possible shot a 1" group at 100 yards?

Seriously. You need to spend more time out in the real world and less time in your Mom's basement........uh, I mean "Command Post".

Paul
 
Stengun said:
Howdy S&W645,



Dang Dude! Where in hell did you buy or could build a black powder Cap-N-Ball revolver that could possible shot a 1" group at 100 yards?

Seriously. You need to spend more time out in the real world and less time in your Mom's basement........uh, I mean "Command Post".

Paul
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Maybe it is you that needs to get out of your bunker. And maybe attend some kind of remedial English classes because here is what you wrote.
One of the things that always impressed me with the BP guns is how accurate they are IF you were constistant with your loads.
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First, learn to spell consistent. Then learn how to write a sentence. Because the way you wrote it implies that all BP guns are accurate. But yours sure isn't one of them. Or you aren't. More range time needed by you if the latter. Check what is considered accurate with a cap and ball and you're about twice as bad as what can be shot. Compare yours to what Mike Schoby says
I have regularly seen models with minor amounts of load development shoot 5-shot groups at 25 yards that measured less than 2" center-to-center.
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And he was talking about Colt and Remington cap and ball pistols. One of the reasons cap and ball isn't still the standard is because of lack of ease of loading and lack of accuracy. Your statement made no distinction between rifles and handguns. And you had mentioned both previously.
Today my stepsister has the Kentucky rifle, my BIL has the Navy revolver and I have the Remington.
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