If all this guy did was go out and provoke a confrontation I don't see the point. What was actually accomplished ? How did this encounter further RKBA?
Do you really think that cop is going to stop harrassing open carriers because of this?
And as always he's talking entirely too much to the cops.
Are you detaining me officer, or am I free to go?
Cop: You are being detained.
I have nothing to say w/ out speaking to a lawyer
PS I wan't to know what happened after the audio cut
Steve, I am a supporter of the Constitution and its amendments, especially the Second Amendment. I have carried weapons all my life and have been licensed in several states. I have owned (and still do) many guns in my life and will continue to do so. I will not, however, try to instigate a confrontation on the street with a police officer just to prove a point. I am not a fashion policeman but a persons appearance on the street does have an effect on how you view them. That and his demeanor should give rise to caution in a situation where he is openly displaying a firearm. This man could have been a psycho for all the policeman knew. Maybe you should join a ride along group with your local police department to get the view from their side of the fence. There can be horse's rear ends on a police force and, conversely, there are a great many in the civilian populace. I will do everything I can to protect my rights under the Second Amendment but I refuse to act stupidly and have a confrontation with a police officer and possibly get shot. There is an old saying, "Discretion is the better part of valor." I will keep my rights to carry my weapon but my battle for that right will be done with civility and not through a confrontation that will make me look like a horse's rear end as well as other like minded people. Also, I am a firm supporter of law enforcement personnel and had a little law enforcement training myself about 50 years ago. If they make a mistake, I will not hesitate to make an issue of it but in a civilized manner. I have a daughter and son-in-law out in your part of the country and he is one of those law enforcement officers who have had a bounty placed on their heads by the Mexican cartel so I am keenly interested in everything to do with the Second Amendment.:biggrin:
maybejim,
You seem to have missed a line or two in the original post. This guy WAS carrying a weapon. He (the cop)didn't search him to see if he had a weapon. It was in plain sight. I am sensing that this thread is starting to paint law enforcement as evil people. I am sorry but I don't see them that way. You can find a horse's rear end in any profession, police included, but they have a job to do. The are bitched at for doing their job and bitched at for not doing their job. It is all in how one perceives their action and how it pertains to them individually. I would be curious to know if there are any law enforcement personnel who are reading or who have read any of the comments of this thread and would care to comment on it from their perspective. Maybe they could enlighten us. Anyone care to try?:smile:
I know the guy was carrying a weapon. It was not against the law. The cop took it on his own to assume that he was a bad guy even though he had not observed anything illegal. He acted as an ass. Now there are many reasonable good cops. There are also a bunch who are not. Either we have a right to carry or we don't have a Constitution. I wouldn't carry Openly but as long as it is legal, I will defend it.
[*]The cop asked the individual where was he coming from & where was he going?
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It's just like when someone calls because the music is too loud...the cops have to investigate,
Too loud music (during certain hours) is illegal. There is a big difference.
Can't disagree with that. Reasonable and sane. Of course if enough people actually utilized their rights the sheeple would stop having hysterics because someone is carrying a gun or walking down the street.Actually, maybejim, I agree with the original statement. It is just like when someone calls because the music is too loud.
1. Someone calls because the music is too loud OR there is a man with a gun.
2. Cops show up:
They drive by, roll down their window, hear no music, investigation complete. No evidence of loud music, no evidence of a crime being committed, cops go their merry way.
OR
They drive by, they see a person lawfully carrying a firearm in a holster, see no evidence of a crime being committed, investigation complete. No evidence of a crime, cops go their merry way.
Can't disagree with that. Reasonable and sane. Of course if enough people actually utilized their rights the sheeple would stop having hysterics because someone is carrying a gun or walking down the street.
After reading to the end of the topic I am left with only 2 questions.
#1 Why is it people have no problem with a person having a gun at their side if they are wearing a uniform?
Police and the armed guards that pick up cash from stores Brinks and Loomis are the names of the 2 I see here in Washington state.
#2 Why are people afraid of other people that open carry? The only reason I can come up with is that that they are missing the uniform which for some reason makes people feel ok about them being armed.
Would we be better off banning all guns? Probably yes, but unfortunately banning all guns would only result in only the BG having them!
i have to say. oc is simply nuts. i know it is your right, but it is insane to do so.
What is the point of oc? To just exercise your rights?
Why do people want to go and shove it in their face that you can exercise your rights.
What is the point? To work some more support for the anti gun people? that is all that it's doing.
I am very pro gun, but when i see someone oc, i am immediately drawn to them. why? because it is unusual. Then people wonder why the oc and they get a weird feeling about the person doing it. It is just human nature. Getting a CCW is the easiest thing in the world in OC states. Why not just get a CCW?
The only problem would be for those who have dui or domestic complaints, not to mention criminal records.
What is the point of oc? To just exercise your rights?
Why do people want to go and shove it in their face that you can exercise your rights.
What is the point? To work some more support for the anti gun people? that is all that it's doing.
I am very pro gun
when i see someone oc, i am immediately drawn to them. why? because it is unusual. Then people wonder why the oc and they get a weird feeling about the person doing it.
Getting a CCW is the easiest thing in the world in OC states. Why not just get a CCW?
The only problem would be for those who have dui or domestic complaints, not to mention criminal records.
Amen to that!
Thank You NavyLT.
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