Obama to nominate first openly gay service secretary to lead the Army

[XD40scinNC]

C'mon now XD, you are trying to preach BS. I was around 50-60 years ago and things were not as bad down here as made out to be by the rabble rousers. Facilities were segregated in many ways and there were some die-hards who caused racial strife, but not to the degree you are intimating. Have you ever had a black into your home for a meal?

Oh Jeeze, I had a black in my house.... well bully for you...

Where I grew up there were not many kids, and half of them were black. We played together in the summer and week-ends, even though they had to attend a different school. Been to their houses for lunch, and they came to mine for lunch as kids. As an adult, yes, we have had blacks and even a <gasp> interracial couple over, and have been to their homes.. ..and.. ..and.. ..and.. some gay people. Even invited a black friend to our wedding in 1969. Ya know what? They are pretty much like the rest of us, with the same desires, goals, wants, needs and just making their way in the world.

OBTW, it is also only a very small percentage of business run by hate filled bigots that are raising a stink about having to serve gay people, probably at the same level racists business owners did in the 60's.</gasp>

 

[Oldgrunt]

I notice by your response that you didn't blame God when I pointed out to you that failings are on individuals, not God. Maybe you finally realize you are trying to make all encompassing statements against God when He is not at fault. Maybe something is starting to sink in. Wouldn't that be a hoot! XD, your arguments remind me of little school kids inane arguments, continually trying to best the other. You will always have a comeback in order to keep a running gun battle going. Anything said to show that others do interact with people, you try to twist to make the actions of others less than what you say you do. There is no end to your arguments and it always returns to the gays. Just for the hell of it, are you gay? Do you have a gay family member? If so, I could understand your concern that seems to continually eat at you. I agree that most people are just like us and are trying to make their way in the world. OK by me, but I still do not have to associate with gays by fiat from SCOTUS.

As you said, it is only a small percentage of businesses that do not want to provide services which go against their religion. Since it is such a small percentage, there are numerous others that have no difficulty in serving them so why is it necessary to attempt to force the small percentage to do so? Seems like they are trying to push their agenda on everyone without regard for the feelings of others. Oh, but isn't that what you say Christians are doing? Surely not!

 

[XD40scinNC]

I notice by your response that you didn't blame God when I pointed out to you that failings are on individuals, not God. Maybe you finally realize you are trying to make all encompassing statements against God when He is not at fault. Maybe something is starting to sink in. Wouldn't that be a hoot! XD, your arguments remind me of little school kids inane arguments, continually trying to best the other. You will always have a comeback in order to keep a running gun battle going. Anything said to show that others do interact with people, you try to twist to make the actions of others less than what you say you do. There is no end to your arguments and it always returns to the gays. Just for the hell of it, are you gay? Do you have a gay family member? If so, I could understand your concern that seems to continually eat at you. I agree that most people are just like us and are trying to make their way in the world. OK by me, but I still do not have to associate with gays by fiat from SCOTUS.

As you said, it is only a small percentage of businesses that do not want to provide services which go against their religion. Since it is such a small percentage, there are numerous others that have no difficulty in serving them so why is it necessary to attempt to force the small percentage to do so? Seems like they are trying to push their agenda on everyone without regard for the feelings of others. Oh, but isn't that what you say Christians are doing? Surely not!

God is often called the greatest invention of man. Nothing else man has invented has the control, power, and money raising ability that this invention does. It is also the most dangerous and damaging invention of man. This invention is the only one with the power to destroy civilization, and probably most life on the planet, using other less dangerous inventions of man, such as nuclear weapons.

If someone commits an atrocity with a gun, it is stupid to blame the gun, man merely used the gun as a tool.
If someone commits an atrocity in the name of god, it is stupid to blame the god, man merely used the god as a tool.

Your god is responsible for none of it, for the very simple reason, it is only a character in the greatest con job every perpetuated upon mankind. You are 100% correct when you say "He is not at fault." for the simple reason "He" is an invention of man, and man is the cause of all of the hate attributed to his wishes. How convenient for followers of any religion. They don't have to own their hate, and the atrocities they commit because of that hate, but merely justify it with "god said" or "the bible says". How convenient for your, free to hate with a convenient cop out.

If you are in business serving the public, then either do that or close your business. If the baker can deny service because of race or sexual preference, then do the police, firefighters, Paramedics also have the same right? Can the cable company refuse to provide service, or the power company, or Best Buy refuse to sell them a TV because they might watch gay porn on the TV they buy there?

 

[Oldgrunt]

Doggone XD, you have given me reasons for bigotry that I hadn't thought of but you should give them a little more thought yourself. Police are there to protect and serve (supposedly) the public from crime. Firefighters and EMTs are there to render emergency services to all, regardless of sexual persuasion. All of the examples you have given are basic rights for all of us and I don't feel that religious convictions would deprive any of those services. However, I do not feel that one should be forced to create something for gays, which clearly indicates it is for gays, and is clearly against the religious convictions of the service provider. There are numerous alternatives for the gays to obtain the services they want elsewhere without forcing anyone to violate their own feelings. You are trying to force deviant behavior to be accepted by all, regardless of persuasion.

If one is the proprietor of an eating establishment which serves only foods approved by Muslims, should I be able to enter and demand that I be served pork chops or a ham sandwich? I think not and you will never convince me that the government would ever try to prosecute the owners for refusing to serve me. Muslims are now trying to force stores to offer halal meats from animals which have been slaughtered according to Islamic standards which, from what I have been told (but not verified) have a lesser cleanliness standard than required by our USDA. Should we be forced to follow their standards if we want meat? There are too many ifs, ands, or buts to any argument you want to put forth but, in the end, it only forces others to comply with the desires of gays. Sorry XD, I do not agree with your arguments and, regardless of what you, or anyone else thinks, I (we) will follow our God and His laws.

 

[XD40scinNC]

So butchers, bakers and candle stick makers are an elite class that get to discriminate based on hate, most other's don't. That's cute

As for your sill demands at a muslim restaurant, you have no more right to demand something not on the menu than you have to demand Chinese food at a Mexican restaurant or BBQ at a vegan restaurant. You also can't go to a Ford dealer and demand to buy a brand new Chevy. Have you ever tried to get a regular cup of coffee in a Starbucks? You can't, it's not on the menu.

A lot different than a cake bakery that selectively refuse to sell cake.

Oh by the way, in some places firefighters and paramedics are not "public servants" (meaning pay comes from tax dollars) as some fire departments are subscription based, and there are also private ambulance services that staffed by paramedics. The subscription fire department is probably rare today, but private companies providing EMS services seem to be expanding, at least locally. What about private security services in gated communities?

 

[Oldgrunt]

XD: You are continuing to use senseless arguments in an attempt to prove your point. No, I would not go into any particular new car dealership and demand to purchase a competing brand's new car. Damn son, if you want to argue, at least keep it based on like items, meats, cakes or cookies, for that matter where a religious objection can be made by the proprietor. Your other examples are emergency service personnel, regardless of how the business/service is chartered or otherwise set. Each for the same purpose...public safety and not for any religious argument. BTW, why would you consider my demand for pork at a Muslim restaurant to be anymore out of line than the gay demand on the baker, etc.? Isn't one demand as stupid as the other? If I don't want to serve a person, for whatever reason, it is my prerogative and not one that I will change because someone demands I violate my religious principles. Also, when it comes to my religious convictions, I do consider myself and others to be in an elite class. I also consider the proprietor of any business to be in an elite class....he/she is the owner and establishes the parameters with which to operate their business. "Elite class" can be defined in many ways and I think that we all consider ourselves as members of an elite class of something. Being horse's asses, if nothing else. Yes, we can all be great horse's asses and that doesn't require any religious affiliations. Works for me!

 

[XD40scinNC]

XD: You are continuing to use senseless arguments in an attempt to prove your point. No, I would not go into any particular new car dealership and demand to purchase a competing brand's new car. Damn son, if you want to argue, at least keep it based on like items, meats, cakes or cookies, for that matter where a religious objection can be made by the proprietor. Your other examples are emergency service personnel, regardless of how the business/service is chartered or otherwise set. Each for the same purpose...public safety and not for any religious argument. BTW, why would you consider my demand for pork at a Muslim restaurant to be anymore out of line than the gay demand on the baker, etc.? Isn't one demand as stupid as the other? If I don't want to serve a person, for whatever reason, it is my prerogative and not one that I will change because someone demands I violate my religious principles. Also, when it comes to my religious convictions, I do consider myself and others to be in an elite class. I also consider the proprietor of any business to be in an elite class....he/she is the owner and establishes the parameters with which to operate their business. "Elite class" can be defined in many ways and I think that we all consider ourselves as members of an elite class of something. Being horse's asses, if nothing else. Yes, we can all be great horse's asses and that doesn't require any religious affiliations. Works for me!

Your whole premise is based on the senseless belief that there is a god.

You were the one that wanted to demand something that was not on the menu of a restaurant, if you want to discuss senseless arguments. You won't find tofu in a BBQ joint either, but every bakery will have cake.

 

[Oldgrunt]

XD: There you go again with your statement: "Your whole premise is based on the senseless belief that there is a god."

If there were no God, you would have no reason to continue with your senseless diatribe. For the sake of argument, suppose there isn't a God. What if the Bible were a law book such as fill every law library in the country. The Levitical Laws concerning sexual relations prohibit procreation with close relatives in order to keep down birth defects. They also prohibit relations with one's parents, siblings, other familial relations and have established moral family relations which have been followed for thousands of years. God established these laws for our benefit and they run throughout the Bible. Want to discard them so one can have a fling with their mother or sister? Rather disgusting thought, huh? Or what about all the other laws that were made for our benefit, marriage with opposite sexes only, against homosexuality, etc., etc. The list could go on and on. The Bible is replete with them. For those who would usurp these laws, and those who would also tolerate the usurpation, are just as guilty of the sins. No, old son, we couldn't exist as a civilized society without the existence of Almighty God. You are dreaming if you think otherwise. If you are a believer in evolution, our existence without God could have sent us back in the other direction and into the trees, or the seas, wherever it is that one would think we came from. And, giving it a little thought, it seems we are heading that way right now! Sin is rampant.

XD, you constantly rant about God not existing but, in reality, I sincerely think you do realize that God is real. I sense a fear in your rants and that you are trying to convince yourself that God is a myth or a little gremlin hiding in one's closet and, if you deny Him long enough, He will go away. I would suggest you find another strategy to try deny God because this one isn't working out very well for you. If I disagree with a subject, I do not feel the necessity to obsess about it. I simply pass it by because, since it is the other person's opinion, I know that I won't be able to change it. Anything else is beating one's head against a wall.

Now, as for your particular case, I'm not trying to proselytize you. I only respond to the off-the-wall comments you love to make. You shouldn't think that we will just sit by and let you attack and curse our God without making comment. However your tirades could be somewhat beneficial in that you will have to, at least, learn what you are talking about. Remember, the Bible is called The Living Word. It can speak to you and, if you are fortunate, you will actually learn the truth.

We, as Christians, follow our God's laws. Only the deviant personalities of late are attempting to change them to force us to follow secular laws which have been modified solely to make deviant behavior "legal." Nope, we "ain't gonna do it." The Bible foretells what will eventually happen to us because of our refusal to bow down to any other "god" or "personality" such as Satan. We know what will happen to us, and, if you have any intelligence at all, you will realize, when you see it happening, we were telling you the truth. I would much rather die to be with Jesus Christ than to live that last period here on earth. That period will be hell on earth!

Senseless belief in God? I don't think so.

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[Ringo]

XD: There you go again with your statement: "Your whole premise is based on the senseless belief that there is a god."

If there were no God, you would have no reason to continue with your senseless diatribe. For the sake of argument, suppose there isn't a God. What if the Bible were a law book such as fill every law library in the country. The Levitical Laws concerning sexual relations prohibit procreation with close relatives in order to keep down birth defects. They also prohibit relations with one's parents, siblings, other familial relations and have established moral family relations which have been followed for thousands of years. God established these laws for our benefit and they run throughout the Bible. Want to discard them so one can have a fling with their mother or sister? Rather disgusting thought, huh? Or what about all the other laws that were made for our benefit, marriage with opposite sexes only, against homosexuality, etc., etc. The list could go on and on. The Bible is replete with them. For those who would usurp these laws, and those who would also tolerate the usurpation, are just as guilty of the sins. No, old son, we couldn't exist as a civilized society without the existence of Almighty God. You are dreaming if you think otherwise. If you are a believer in evolution, our existence without God could have sent us back in the other direction and into the trees, or the seas, wherever it is that one would think we came from. And, giving it a little thought, it seems we are heading that way right now! Sin is rampant.

XD, you constantly rant about God not existing but, in reality, I sincerely think you do realize that God is real. I sense a fear in your rants and that you are trying to convince yourself that God is a myth or a little gremlin hiding in one's closet and, if you deny Him long enough, He will go away. I would suggest you find another strategy to try deny God because this one isn't working out very well for you. If I disagree with a subject, I do not feel the necessity to obsess about it. I simply pass it by because, since it is the other person's opinion, I know that I won't be able to change it. Anything else is beating one's head against a wall.

Now, as for your particular case, I'm not trying to proselytize you. I only respond to the off-the-wall comments you love to make. You shouldn't think that we will just sit by and let you attack and curse our God without making comment. However your tirades could be somewhat beneficial in that you will have to, at least, learn what you are talking about. Remember, the Bible is called The Living Word. It can speak to you and, if you are fortunate, you will actually learn the truth.

We, as Christians, follow our God's laws. Only the deviant personalities of late are attempting to change them to force us to follow secular laws which have been modified solely to make deviant behavior "legal." Nope, we "ain't gonna do it." The Bible foretells what will eventually happen to us because of our refusal to bow down to any other "god" or "personality" such as Satan. We know what will happen to us, and, if you have any intelligence at all, you will realize, when you see it happening, we were telling you the truth. I would much rather die to be with Jesus Christ than to live that last period here on earth. That period will be hell on earth!

Senseless belief in God? I don't think so.

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[Ringo]

No, old son, we couldn't exist as a civilized society without the existence of Almighty God. You are dreaming if you think otherwise. If you are a believer in evolution, our existence without God could have sent us back in the other direction and into the trees, or the seas, wherever it is that one would think we came from. And, giving it a little thought, it seems we are heading that way right now! Sin is rampant.

So true OG. One second after the Rapture this unbelieving world will finally get exactly what it has always wanted, the "Restrainer" will be removed and society will in essence be without the existence of God and the laws of God for the 7 years of the Tribulation. (Mathew 24:21)..."At that time there will be great suffering, the kind that hasn't happened from the beginning of the world until now and certainly won't ever happen again". It'll be so terrible that (Matthew 24:22)... "Except those days should be shortened, no one would survive. But for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened".

~ Things Are Going To Get Very Ugly, Very Soon ~
MARANATHA! :victory:​

 

[Ringo]

Obama Administration Enables ‘Boy Play’

You are the raging homophobic, not me. I could care less about a person's sexuality, you are the one with the problem, not me. what are your issues?

Here's one more.

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[Farmhood]

Here's one more.

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Welcome to XD's world.



sinful nature is always hostile to God....

 

[XD40scinNC]

XD: There you go again with your statement: "Your whole premise is based on the senseless belief that there is a god."

If there were no God, you would have no reason to continue with your senseless diatribe.

Your god has never been the problem, imaginary characters of ancient folklore have never been a problem, they are powerless.

However those that believe in those absurdities that will commit atrocities, are the problem, and you sir are one of those threats. You hate based on those absurdities and as such one of the problems.

It is the ignorance of believing in this imaginary murderous bastard you call god that is the senseless belief that threatens mankind's future. Doubt that, read the ******* news about ISIS, hatred derived from yet another murderous bastard believed to be a god.

 

[XD40scinNC]

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Another child that can't get over the missing 'like' button.

 

[Oldgrunt]

Your god has never been the problem, imaginary characters of ancient folklore have never been a problem, they are powerless.

However those that believe in those absurdities that will commit atrocities, are the problem, and you sir are one of those threats. You hate based on those absurdities and as such one of the problems.

It is the ignorance of believing in this imaginary murderous bastard you call god that is the senseless belief that threatens mankind's future. Doubt that, read the ******* news about ISIS, hatred derived from yet another murderous bastard believed to be a god.

XD: I do believe you getting ready to go off the deep end. God has been your problem up until now but has been transferred over to me and others of my ilk. Why are we such a threat to you? We do not hate as you continually state. We are against sin, we hate the sin but not the sinner. They are welcome into full fellowship with us if they forego their sinful practices. The hatred you talk about is aimed at us because we do stand against sin and want to continue to have a moral society. We do not want sin flaunted at us and do not want our laws changed to accommodate deviants by activists judges and partisan hacks. We all know how you feel about God so there is no need for you to rant, continually. We are not a threat to mankind's future. Why compare us to ISIL? We are not killing anyone for our religion, only standing up for it. And, if YOU will read the news, it is the Christians, among others in the ME who are being killed for their belief in God. We do not commit atrocities in the name of God and, as you, would do all we could to prevent them. And what about the goat herders that our illustrious potentate is supporting in the ME. Where is your outrage about that? Aren't they the ones doing the killings? You seem to have a very narrow focus for your outrage and only toward Christians. That is OK, you can rant on because we know your problem and understand what is behind it. Old Scratch is having a field day with you but you still have an avenue of escape from him!

 

[XD40scinNC]

XD: I do believe you getting ready to go off the deep end.

No sir, my feet are firmly placed in the reality of the fact that gods exist only in the minds of men, and men with such beliefs are irrational and dangerous when the believe their god commands them to hate others for no other reason.

Do you not recognize the extreme danger that followers of a god named Allah pose to world peace and mankind's future? Well guess what, so do followers of the so called christian god. You can't say that believing, and acting on those beliefs, in your god is a good thing, while believing the the Muslim god and acting on those beliefs (ISIS) is not a good thing. To do so indicates that one is either a hypocrite or a fool.... which one are you?

 

[XD40scinNC]

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You pose the most irrational nonsense to support your nonsense positions. You have insinuated that I am everything but an anti-2A loon due to your complete failure to be able to understand that some people say that your religion is pure bull excrement and all gods are solely the invention of ancient men that didn't have a clue where the sun went at night. What is your excuse, or is it still a mystery to you where the sun goes every night?

 

[Ringo]

No sir, my feet are firmly placed in the reality of the fact that gods exist only in the minds of men, and men with such beliefs are irrational and dangerous when the believe their god commands them to hate others for no other reason.

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[XD40scinNC]

OOOOO000000oooooo°°°°°°°° another senseless picture from his bible study group.... sad that an adult is so inarticulate that they can't refute and idea.

I can't help but notice that you have nothing to say to refute that people that believe in a god called allah pose a threat.... and if they do, you do my willfully ignorant friend.

Or is it that followers of allah are good people, and cause no harm? Which is it... what childish picture will he respond with.

 

[Oldgrunt]

No sir, my feet are firmly placed in the reality of the fact that gods exist only in the minds of men, and men with such beliefs are irrational and dangerous when the believe their god commands them to hate others for no other reason.

Do you not recognize the extreme danger that followers of a god named Allah pose to world peace and mankind's future? Well guess what, so do followers of the so called christian god. You can't say that believing, and acting on those beliefs, in your god is a good thing, while believing the the Muslim god and acting on those beliefs (ISIS) is not a good thing. To do so indicates that one is either a hypocrite or a fool.... which one are you?

XD: I am neither a hypocrite nor a fool. I am a God-believing Christian and my God is real. Sorry about yours, or whatever or whoever you do/don't believe in. You may be very content in your life without a belief in a deity but I couldn't be. I did tell you that you seemed to be getting ready to go off the deep end and your latest comments make me think so even more. Are you so afraid of Christians that you would try to liken them to the Muslim zealots and believe that our God commands us to kill people as do they? XD, you are losing your reasoning power and resorting to sociopathic tendencies? You take anything presented to you concerning Christianity as foolish and always attack the messenger. Well old son, I have a challenge for you. Read a Bible (if you have one) and tell me where you find in there our God commanding us to kill unbelievers. Find where we are to be like the Muslims with pedophilia, mistreatment of women, honor killings within our families, Sharia Law, or, here is a good one, to kill gays. I am beginning to think you don't know enough about the Bible and/or Koran, to accuse us of anything other than your own warped thoughts. XD, that is getting low, even for you. You seem to have a very deep hatred for Christians but, believe it or not, we don't hate you. I personally believe that you are misguided but I still don't hate you for it.