Inform the officer or not when concealed carry?

[Beau]

Maybe you ought to read posts again.
If you dont want to inform or allow a search no one is saying thats a problem.
Someone took my post and exaggerated them because they clearly didnt have anything else to accuse me of...no big deal, I see it all the time in discussions like this one.

I choose to inform either way. Someone in this thread started foaming at the mouth because supposedly Im 'giving up my rights' (total BS, by the way) and that is what a few of you ran with instead of actually reading and understanding what I have posted.

None of my posts have been specifically directed at you. If I misunderstood your stand in the issue I apologize.

I could care less if you choose to inform. I hope you never have your rights violated further for your choice. My take is that if you do inform you open yourself to such things as longer stop time, having your weapon confiscated for "officer safety", illegal search ran on the serial number of your firearm, pressure (intimidation) to consent to further vehicle searches, lectures on the carry of firearms etc..

 

[Ruger357SP101]

It appears to be impossible for you to comprehend the reason to refuse a search.

No, it appears YOU dont comprehend the reason FOR a search.

Contrary to the views of the deluded few here 99.999999% of the time law enforcement can catch a bad guy during a traffic stop.
Cops dont know that YOU havent just gone off the deep end and arent about to blow something up or go on a rampage....or maybe just came back from one.

Traffic stops are one of the main ways that cops catch criminals.
Since they DONT know me from Adam and *I* know Im not breaking any laws, there is absolutely no issue with simply allowing a search so they can prove to themselves that the person doesnt have a dead body in the trunk.

 

[Ruger357SP101]

Suppose you're out for a drive and you've got a tail light out... Or you're doing a bit above the speed limit and you just had a nice set of headers, exhaust pipes, and mufflers put on your car...

Regardless, you're now on the side of the road with a blue light special behind you.

Officer comes to the door and asks for your license and registration... Do you inform him that you are in possession of a concealed handgun or not?

Does the matter that it's the sherrif, a local county officer, or a state trooper change your option?



I think the DMV here flags your plates when you get a CCW. I've always thought it's a good idea to inform.

"Officer, I understand you go through a lot of risk in your line of duty, I would like to minimize this risk and inform you that I am in possession of a Concealed Weapon permit and I do have the weapon on my person (or in the car) The weapon is on my left hip (or next to the emergency brake handle in the center console). My license and registration are in my left front pocket. How would you like to proceed?"

Yes.
Either way and every time.

 

[Ruger357SP101]

None of my posts have been specifically directed at you. If I misunderstood your stand in the issue I apologize.

I could care less if you choose to inform. I hope you never have your rights violated further for your choice. My take is that if you do inform you open yourself to such things as longer stop time, having your weapon confiscated for "officer safety", illegal search ran on the serial number of your firearm, pressure (intimidation) to consent to further vehicle searches, lectures on the carry of firearms etc..

Im sorry. I just dont see the issue some do.
If a cop unlawfully confiscates my handgun I'll see him in court and sue them until they wish they had never hired the rogue officer.

Ive yet to have them 'pressure' me into anything.
As I said, if the situation warrants a search, I'll submit.

The only time my car was searched the way it happened made it very clear that the LEOs involved had very serious reason to believe they needed to search my car....but it was just this side of being a case where they could detain me.

I understood their concern about the way it happened and certainly had no problem waiting for 10 minutes while they opened the trunk and glove box.
They were very professional about it. Explained in detail what their concerns were and why they were asking to search the car.
If a cop ever does something wrong, maybe I'll handle it differently, but I WILL allow the search regardless and then sue his ass till he wishes hed never met me if he does anything illegal.

 

[NavyLCDR]

No, it appears YOU dont comprehedn the reason FOR a search.

Contrary to the views of the deluded few here 99.999999% of the time law enforcement can catch a bad guy during a traffic stop.
Cops dont know that YOU havent just gone off the deep end and arent about to blow something up or go on a rampage....or maybe just came back from one.

Traffic stops are one of the main ways that cops catch criminals.
Since they DONT know me from Adam and *I* know Im not breaking any laws, there is absolutely no issue with simply allowing a search so they can prove to themselves that the person doesnt have a dead body in the trunk.

Me refusal to allow them to look in my trunk for dead bodies is in no way hindering or interfering with their efforts or ability to catch criminals.

In fact, if the cop knows and respects the law, we won't waste time searching my vehicle and he can get on the road quicker to catch a real criminal.

BTW, the reason for a search for which a warrant must be obtained is to obtain evidence of a crime for which there is probable cause to believe has been committed.

 

[NavyLCDR]

If a cop ever does something wrong, maybe I'll handle it differently, but I WILL allow the search regardless and then sue his ass till he wishes hed never met me if he does anything illegal.

Good luck. By consenting to the search, you gave up about 90% of your rights and 90% of your defense in court.

 

[NavyLCDR]

How about consenting to this search, Ruger357SP101? Is this OK with you?

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BTW, a same letter was sent to every FFL in Washington.

 

[Treo]

I think we BOTH know what Im talking about.
The LEO asks you to sign a speeding ticket and you refuse and then cause an escalation.

Are you stupid? Seriously, are you really that uninformed?

When you sign a traffic ticket you are agreeing to appear in court to dispute the ticket (or pay the fine) it's an ROR bond. If you don't sign the ticket the cop usually has no recourse but to arrest you and hold you until your trial.

And ,again, no one here is advocating being rude to the cop

Officer, (courtesy titles go a loooong way) I do not consent to any searches.

Officer, I do not wish to answer any questions w/out speaking to an attorney. Or "Officer I wish to exercise my right to remain silent."

Officer , am I free to go ?

Please cite the rude?

 

[NavyLCDR]

Are you stupid? Seriously, are you really that uninformed?

Must....resist.....the.....urge.....to....comment....

 

[Deanimator]

Cops are our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers.

So are:

• landscapers
• check forgers
• pastry chefs
• serial killers

And I'm not giving up 1,000,000,000th of one part of one iota of ANY right of mine to ANY of them.

Your contempt for the 4th and 5th amendments does not constitute a reason for me to waive a single right, or part thereof.

 

[Deanimator]

I think we BOTH know what Im talking about.

Indeed we do, as you prove later on.

I'm not consenting to ANYTHING, EVER.

 

[Treo]

So are:

• landscapers
• check forgers
• pastry chefs
• serial killers

And I'm not giving up 1,000,000,000th of one part of one iota of ANY right of mine to ANY of them.

Your contempt for the 4th and 5th amendments does not constitute a reason for me to waive a single right, or part thereof.

Don't forget illegal aliens :biggrin:

 

[antietam]

Ruger357SP101
"Rights" talk= rambling. Had I cussed at them like some morons do ..."
These are your idiot words and I notice you piped down a lot replying to me than your post which I contended - you actually got civil. You did not address my point which are your words, in red, above. You flat out avoided my clear points with a head-fake
You're a grandfather, eh? Well, so what - you sure speak as a kid with your loathing of "rights" [constitutional] folks that they're "ramblers."
I specifically addressed your post with your words and you responded to everything but your words.
Please respond to this if you wish. I'll not respond further.

 

[Ruger357SP101]

So are:

• landscapers
• check forgers
• pastry chefs
• serial killers

And I'm not giving up 1,000,000,000th of one part of one iota of ANY right of mine to ANY of them.

Your contempt for the 4th and 5th amendments does not constitute a reason for me to waive a single right, or part thereof.

Fallacy much?
Its NOT GIVING UP a right to willingly submit to a search.
Sorry but those of you who keep rambling on about that are simply being asinine.

 

[Ruger357SP101]

Ruger357SP101
"Rights" talk= rambling. Had I cussed at them like some morons do ..."
These are your idiot words and I notice you piped down a lot replying to me than your post which I contended - you actually got civil.

Sorry, but Ive been on other sites for a bit.
If my demeanor changed I assure you it had NOTHING to do with YOU or this idiotic discussion.
You want to see how UNcivil I can be? Lets take this to PMs for a while.
No one here is worried about you OR your pathetic illogical nonsense.

I'll not respond further.

A very good idea.

 

[Ruger357SP101]

Indeed we do, as you prove later on.

As I said, those who act like an ass with a cop during a stop deserve whatever they get.
You want respect then GIVE respect.

I'm not consenting to ANYTHING, EVER.

And when we both are pulled over rest assured that while Im driving off AFTER allowing a search you will be the guy getting detained and arrested.

I WILL consent every time it seems even remotely reasonable and if the LEO is treating me respectfully.,

Only criminals have something to hide.

 

[Ruger357SP101]

Are you stupid? Seriously, are you really that uninformed?

Seriously, are you?

When you sign a traffic ticket you are agreeing to appear in court to dispute the ticket (or pay the fine) it's an ROR bond. If you don't sign the ticket the cop usually has no recourse but to arrest you and hold you until your trial.

Please dont even try to pretend that we did NOT just see a video where some guy just needed to sign a ticket and blew his top at the LEO, friend.
Shall I post it again?

THAT is a very common type of attitude with cops...and we're seeing proof of it right here in this thread.

And ,again, no one here is advocating being rude to the cop

I certainly hope not.
And Id suggest if you dont like MY putting intents into YOUR damned posts then you STOP putting them into mine.
Such as this BS about my 'giving up rights' because I CHOOSE to allow a search which is none of anyone business here.
It has nothing to do with 'giving up' my rights and anyone who claims it does is dumber than a box of rocks.

Officer, (courtesy titles go a loooong way) I do not consent to any searches.

Thats fine.
1. OFTEN it DOESNT go that way and you know it.
2. It doesnt mean if *I* choose to ALLOW a search that Ive given up any rights.

 

[Ruger357SP101]

Me refusal to allow them to look in my trunk for dead bodies is in no way hindering or interfering with their efforts or ability to catch criminals.

From YOUR personal perspective, no.
But one has to wonder why you choose to make a LEO's job more complicated.
I prefer to work WITH law enforcement and make their job as easy as possible.
If that means submitting to a search so they can get back to catching bad guys, so be it.

In fact, if the cop knows and respects the law, we won't waste time searching my vehicle and he can get on the road quicker to catch a real criminal.

Wrong.
The LEO doesnt know a damned thing about you PRESENTLY.
Most felons werent felons at some previous point in time...THEN they broke the law.
For all this LEO knows you could have killed someone TODAY and have them in your trunk.
You seem to think they are mind readers, which is asinine.

BTW, the reason for a search for which a warrant must be obtained is to obtain evidence of a crime for which there is probable cause to believe has been committed.

btw if you arent guilty of anything then a search shouldnt matter.
Im starting to wonder if a few of you here might actually be WORRIED about a search more than this garbage about 'giving up' rights.

 

[Ruger357SP101]

Good luck. By consenting to the search, you gave up about 90% of your rights and 90% of your defense in court.

Im sorry but this outlandish line is simply bull ****.
There is no 'giving up' any rights by WILLINGLY allowing a search.
That is backwater hick tough guy Rambo BS...nothing more.

There wont BE any court, pal, because I dont have anything in my car that any cop can arrest me over. How about you? You seem a bit concerned, quite honestly.

So there is nothing to DEFEND in court.

Easy enough.

 

[Ruger357SP101]

How about consenting to this search, Ruger357SP101? Is this OK with you?

How about you stick to the damned topic here? Which is informing while packing in a car...which I added the idea of allowing a vehicle search.

If you cant keep on the details we were discussing I can simply put you back on ignore.