My. My. My. We certainly seem to have a load with either 'bones in the closet' of other reasons not to trust LEO's - that is understandable as I have also had the occasional experience with a cop who got up on the wrong side of the bed. But never to the extent to elicit the sheer hatred and venom that I have seen on here this morning. And always, lawyered up if necessary, exposed for what they were at first examination - or the charges were dropped and expunged from my records.
I will state for the records once again, I have nothing but the greatest of respect for LE.
If I am being stopped I am being stopped for a reason and the matter of my vehicle being searched is moot. It is going to happen in any event so I may as well be courteous and co-operative. Especially when it comes to firearms and in many states when you obtain a CCW, CFP or whatever, you give up the rights to reasonable search and seizure in any event. Read the small print.
Yes, I am a great supporter of our constitiutional rights but I am not prepared to die at the side of the road for them. I'd rather support the NRA (life member) and such to get the job done as best we can.
Bones in the closet? I do my best to keep my nose clean and keep out of the way of the idiots we are surrounded with.
Thus far, I have not had any problems doing so - but who knows, perhaps one day I will learn a hard lesson? Until then, my personal feelings on the matter will not change. And if I am asked "nothing to hide, do you mind if we search your home? My answer will always be that I want to see the search warrant first". Border patrol/guards do not require search warrants in order to search you or your vehicle - give them a hard time and be prepared for vaseline and rubber gloves at the lower end of the scale. Fact is, they may have the right to COME TO YOUR HOME and perform same search without warrant.
Best to stop waving around your constitutional rights unless you are absolutely familiar and certain of them. And even then, they can be twisted and used against you.
Just try to open carry through ANYWHERE in the state of NJ and then plead your constitutional rights - I'm just dying to see that one go to the supreme court and get struck down as being illegal search and seizure, etc.
Nope, sorry guys, I will temper my constitutional rights with what is practical and prudent at any given time and with regards to concealed carry I am afraid that my thinking is not about to change.
Perhaps it is time for some to read the books put out by Ayoob and more interestingly by Bird... who documents cases of gross breaches of constitutional rights that were taken all the way to the Grand Jury and sometimes beyond, regardless. It makes some of the most interesting reading and education that you will EVER get in your life as a CCW/CFP holder. And well worth the investment versus the hearsay that one picks up on the forums where one needs to sort the wheat from the chaff.
Bird, in especially, will be a real eye opener for some on these forums I can assure you. And they are all documented so that you can, if you wish, verify the information. Some of it is so 'out to lunch' as to be, well, "out to lunch", yet it is accurate and real life scenarios. We even have one guy who is a CFP who watched a cop get shot and killed, came to his aid and took down the shooters, only to be charged and have his firearms confiscated. The police union was so enraged that they actually went out and purchased from their own funds a replacement pistol for the fellow and honoured him at a dinner in his honour. Yet it took something like a year before he was "no billed" by a grand jury and all was set back on track. Shit happens my friends, like it or not, believe it or not. Read some of Bird's books and find out for yourselves. Do NOT depend on these forums for your CFP knowledge by any means. And do not depend on YOUR interpretation of the constition for legal protection as each county, each state and even at the federal level the interpretations are all different and that applies from day to day.
Nope, I know what I am going to do and I am going to do it regardless of what 'hearsay' comes my way, based on hard, cold, documented facts and experience.
And one other thing - I too have had LEO's place themselves in harm's way on my behalf and place their very lives on the line for me. It does not sway my decision as to my course of action in any way. It was a nice thing to do and it was their job and I am grateful. But my course of action will be dictated by hard, cold factual evidence and information and nothing more or less.
Read, learn, don't take your advice from these forums.
But it is their uniformed Enforcer who is the visible target, and as American society continues to collapse, it is he against whom the citizenry will first begin to strike back. 
