I have done some personal testing of the Glaser Safety, and the Mag-safe ammo in .45ACP,.38 special, .380 and .25ACP. To sum it all up they penetrate deeper than anything else that I tried (both ball and JHP) and they make a big cavity at the termination point of the channel. All of the rounds were very accurate at 25 yrds. especially the .25 ACP I could cover the group with my hand. Glaser says that glass defeats them and they recommend a double tap under those circumstances. Wood like 2x4's and hard oak planks do not stop them. They penetrate better than ball and make a big hole on exit. I have shot them into heavy polyethylene barrels 35 gal types the entrance hole is clean and the opposite side is full of a lot of little exit holes about two hand widths. The Mag-Safe are all I carry in the .25ACP and the .380. I carry JHP in all the other guns. I really like the Speer Gold dot JHP and JHP +P short barrel ammo for defense carry they function well are very accurate and penetrate deeply an excellent cartridge. Just my two cents from personal experience. I won't carry ammo that I haven't tested and I won't carry a gun that I haven't put 1000 rounds through under real world circumstances with reasonable accuracy.
Geez, a thousand rounds of Mag-Safe 380 for testing, and a 1000 rounds of 45 Gold Dot just for testing must have been really expensive.
I have read the summary of the Strasbourg goat test but never the full document thanks for the posting. It is enlightening to say the least.
The pressure wave is what does the damage that's why a .30 cal high powered rifle is so effective.
If you miss with a GLASER, it will still go through walls. If it does happen to pass through a person, then it should fragment (at least that is what was preached to me).
Each is designed to open at a different penetration depth. Some fragment immediately, some penetrate beyond 13" of flesh BEFORE beginning to open.
#1 TPD223 = He stated "30 caliber high powered rifle".
The bullet response comment you quoted applies to all rifle ammunition (as it was a reply to his previous comment), not to Glazers.
#2 Looking at the pages linked in my previous post (page 5, post 48) is the Glazer results. Plugging and acting like fmj after sheet rock. For your convenience here is the link again.
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Here is his concluding statement.
"Perhaps the point of greatest interest is the failure of the (9mm Glazer) bullet to reduce penetration when fired through
interior walls, as might occur in the event of a complete miss during a defensive shooting event inside a
structure – lethality of the round is actually increased by the presence of an intervening interior wall."
#3 Regarding the shot-gun in-home for defense,
I strongly suggest that everyone look at the penetration results of shotguns in my early link. His results show that a shotgun shot shells penetrate people and walls like a slug.
#4 Not trying to argue about penetration, etc.:
Conclusions written by a person who has actually treated and studied thousands of actual shooting victims IS a reasonable source, IMO.
You will note that his diagrams are not guesstimates, but actual drawings of wound channels that he has observed in FLESH and bone.
These should be valid concepts.
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My conclusion/ opinion:
Based on everything that I have studied,
NO bullet of any type, and of any caliber used for self defense
loses any significant amount of lethality after penetrating sheetrock or thin 1/4" wood paneling.
(OK maybe 22 rimfire birdshot, but who would use that for self defense?)
DON'T MISS the perp.
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