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FF,
Congrats on getting the settlement. A similar thing occured here in Gonzales La. The OCer got much grief from other Ocers as well as gun owners on other fourms for taking the undisclosed settlement. Expect some of the same negativity. What do I think? I think if they have to pay some money to cause them to educate their officers I'm all for it.

Steve,
Louisiana Open Carry Awareness League • Portal
 
yOU SIR ARE AN JACKASS


FF did not break the law. He did not run around waving his gun saying look at me...look at me. His weapon was properly holstered. He was on public sidewalks. He was not threatening anyone. I to open carry when I am in a state that allows it. It is much more comfortable. Before you offer an opinion...make sure that you are right and then proceed. You do not have an understanding of rights vs illegal enforcement of laws by sworn officers. We have rules and laws for a reason. If this had been a guy with an Orange AK drawing attention to himself I would have a different tune to whistle. This is clearly not the case. FF was well within the law and operating within reasonable judgement. He was carrying a "normal" looking handgun in a "normal" looking holster. He was exercizing his rights when the sworn officers decided to exercize their brute force by putting him on the ground.

DO NOT PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE IN THIS CASE...
KEEP YOUR "we shall fight side by side like Spartans" MOLAN LABE BS.
FF has done everything right and you sir have poured gasoline on the fire.
YOU SIR (thebrez1) ARE A JACKASS!

FF keep up the good work we need more folks like you!
 

Congratulations sir, I for one, am proud of you.

Continue the good fight.
 
G50AE said:
I don't see any problem with taking the setlement if the department is now required to educate their officers reguarding OC laws.
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Wishful thinking here: it costs a fortune, but taking it to SCOTUS might start the ball rolling for holding all states responsible for the education of all LEOs.
 
Congratulations. Good on you for taking them to task. There will be better case law cases, and one will end up with SCOTUS.
 
I'm glad the good guy here (apparently) came out on top in the end.

As to this:
If I was a cop, what am I expected to do? Just let anyone walk down the street with a gun?
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YES! Everyone should walk armed. The only exception should be government. The "badge of office" of a "civil servant" (such as a Judge, Governor, Legislator, Mayor, etc. - not an ordinary employee of a municipal utility like myself) should be an empty holster.

But, quite frankly, I don't think this will happen until after this civilization has fallen and risen again.
 
"thebrez1" expressed his opinion very well and I couldn't agree with him more. If we are going to defend our gun rights, we have to do it with intelligence and not in a provoking manner. No one likes the "In your face" attitude regardless of which side of the fence you are on. We can convert many people to our side with facts but will not do so trying to dazzle them with BS and/or a confrontational attitude. Since reading this thread, I have made it a point to discuss open carry rights with my police department and sheriff's office (backed up with our state law and Attorney General's opinion). A little polite conversation goes much further than a hostile attitude. Naturally, there are some who will disagree with this approach but, try it, you might get somewhere. What have you got to lose?:biggrin:
 

IF - this was a set-up designed to provoke the police for personal gain, I am definitely against it.

BUT - if this state/city area is indeed an open-carry zone, then he has every right to carry openly. What is "in-your-face" about this? If he walked into the police station and got a drink from the water cooler, THAT would be provocation! Walking down the street legally armed? What is your problem with that? Did he threaten anyone? Did he scowl at little kids and brandish his gun?

And the cops who smacked him down - there is NO excuse for their actions, because if anyone knows the law, it's supposed to be them. If people are allowed to carry openly, THERE IS NO PROBLEM! If people are paranoid, that's THEIR problem, and the cops should be informing anyone who calls 9-1-1 of that.

Open carry is just that. Don't like it? Repeal the laws. Or live with it. There are people in other states who do, without any problems. I'm not a proponent of open carry - I'd rather not let anyone know I'm armed. But that is personal, not legal. Just because you don't like open carry is no reason to diss a guy for standing up for his rights.

Did he achieve anything positive? Oh, yes he did! If he was legally allowed to carry, he has straightened out the local police force, and publicized the laws. There was a big rally right across the Potomac from D.C. at a VA park, and thousands of people showed up, fully armed and carrying openly. Were they wrong, too, because they stood up for their rights?

It is precisely times like these that require us to stand up for what we believe in, especially when the current administration is trying to take away our Constitution, including the 2nd Amendment. It's time to stop being so damned obsequious. Right now, it is the police who are becoming stereotypes of power and corruption.

Again, if this was a stunt, it was wrong from the start. If it was done in truth and patriotism, God bless him. If I could afford the jail time, I'd probably do the same thing.
 
Piece Corps said:
IF - this was a set-up designed to provoke the police for personal gain, I am definitely against it..
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Since case was settled for an undisclosed amount & the police must provide an educational policy training of their law enforcement officials on Ohio Firearm laws this is truly a great win for residents of Ohio. I'm sure the "victim" donated the proceeds of this lawsuit to an organization that would continue to fight for our 2nd amendment rights...because it wasn't just for the money.
 

We have people open carrying just about everywhere in Arizona and have no issues with it. People have been doing it for years. It doesn't look like Beruit or Palestine. Maybe the rest of the country need some education and experience. If enough people in the rest of the states would grow a pair and start OC'ing this issue would die off as it should have years ago.
 
Gentlemen, several people have expressed themselves clearly, rationally, and with class.This is an example we should follow. Surely we can reason together without personal attacks. If we disagree with each other, let us do it civilly. It is a courtesy we owe to each other and to ourselves.

I believe that OC is a matter of conditioning the sheeple.The more they see people carrying guns and not creating mischief and mayhem, the more they will be conditioned to see OC as normal and non-threatening.This conditioning does not happen overnight, but it will never happen if people like FF don't stand up for our rights.
 
I am always in favor of legal and proper means of furthering our goals, but at this time the goal of freedom has been under attack for many years. Both the Brown Shirts and the Gestapo are already among us. While I sincerely hope we can improve things and save our Republic, I'm not optimistic. We've fallen too far.
 

Red: You are expected to leave someone who isn't breaking a law alone.

Blue: I have been open carrying for a year and I have never seen anyone run, scream, wet themselves, have a spontaneous abortion at the sight of my gun. FUD

Green: Exactly which of my rights are trumping your rights?
 
Im sorry but i feel that you Provoked this type of response from the CHPD, I dont feel you did this to prove any type of point.

You do realize that under Ohio Law you can be charged with "Inducing Panic" for your actions?! as a former LEO I have had encounters with people who OC and never once did they act the way you did in this video, your actions are uncalled for and show very poor regards to others who lawyfully OC and CC and who dont go around flaunting it. Dont be surprised to see a Secret Indictment sent to you in the mail.
 

See this thread.
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open...awsuit-against-madison-police-department.html
 
hope you win

good luck, with that.... I hope you win the case. Sounds like the female police officer thinks she's the judge and the jury.
 
If a indictment was issued, I'd think that as a counterclaim he would be inline to charge them with harassment and unclean hands. Most good lawyers would write into any settlement that just what you are talking about them doing would be grounds for opening up the case again and bringing additional charges. That can be part of undisclosed settlements. That is why cases also get sealed by the courts, but can be reopened by the same court on petition of one of those involved in the case.
 
I am glad to hear this case was settled in the defendant's favor, however, I don't believe for one moment this wasn't done on purpose. A video camera and the copy of the laws in your pocket. Who walks down the street with these things? And the comments about Nazi Germany were totally uncalled for.

JMHO
 
uscg4good said:
A video camera and the copy of the laws in your pocket. Who walks down the street with these things?

JMHO
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The Brady Campaign says exactly the same thing about guns. Some people feel the need to protect themselves from criminals. Some people feel the need to protect themselves from the police. In a very small percentage, the police are no better than the criminals.
 
Yea you see how that handbook came in handy during this scenario. No cop is going to stop his power trip and say "Oh you have a copy of the law with you, standby sir, let me browse it real quick for a refresher, you are probably right and I will let you go, just let me check here first, hmmm....says here you're right, have a good day sir"

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