this might be entirely wrong place for this. apologies if not.
(i have yet to get my CHL, im sure this is covered in the course)
in the process of engaging a BG i am sure you are taught to be aware of whats actually behind said target. (common sense anyways i imagine)
so as not to injure or jeopardize the live of more innocents...
but what about the rounds exiting the BG?? how do you know they wont hit somebody, im sure this is something trained to take into consideration right?? granted enough presence of mind in the situation...
personally i have a glock .40 w/ hollows so i dont think exit wound(s) are much of a issue. i think more for small caliber hand guns correct??
sorry for such un-educated questions. still new here
It's one of the standard firearm rules: know what's in front and behind of your target.
Smaller calibers don't always have deeper penetration, it's higher velocity rounds. 5.7 and .25 are smaller calibers than the .40, but the 5.7 will penetrate deeper and the .25 won't.
If I engage, I will do my best to know what's behind my target, but defending my life is priority.
Defending my life is second, behind the life of an innocent who's behind the BG. I won't shoot unless clear regardless of cost to myself.If I engage, I will do my best to know what's behind my target, but defending my life is priority.
Don't forget about not shooting unless you are sure of your shot. Even in deer season when people have private lands all to themselves, most people forget this rule and send bullets flying for miles. Don't just take a shot because you have a target. On your end, the margin of error could be less than a quarter inch, but downrange, that could mean 10-20 feet in the wrong direction.
Defending my life is second, behind the life of an innocent who's behind the BG. I won't shoot unless clear regardless of cost to myself.
You do realize that in a world where many are armed that putting your life ahead of my family could get you shot be me? If lead flies without regard to my family I'm dropping everyone. No time to ask who's right and wrong. Everyone involved is goin'. Quickly.Good on you guys for carrying about others more than I. My family's life is first, then mine, then everyone else.
Howdy,
HPs do NOT always expand.
I few years ago a was testing several different loads and decided to do something a little different.
Usually I use very thin walled 1-gallon water jugs filled with shredded newspaper that has been allowed to soak for several days.
Most handgun rounds ( 9mm, .40, .45 and even the 10mm )usually will penetrate all the way through the first 2 jugs and ended up somewhere in the 3rd jug.
After reading about the "denim test" I decided to do the same thing. I bought a pair of jeans at a yard sale and cut them up and taped a 4"x4" square onto the impact point of my 1st water jug and fired a 180gr JHP (Remington bullet commercial reload ) @1,200ft/sec and the cavity of the HP got clogged with the denim and shoot through a total of 6 jugs and about 200 pages of a phone book before stopping.
OMG!!!
I've repeated this same test with different calibers and bullet designs with similar results, except for the depth of penetration into the phone book.
The last time was back in the spring. I was using my Kel-Tek PF-9 and Remington 115gr JHP and Winchester 147gr JHP and both failed to expand due to the cavity being clogged.
It doesn't happen every time but it has happened enough that the "My 9mm will expand almost as much as your .45." argument just doesn't work.
Just my $.02.
Paul
You do realize that in a world where many are armed that putting your life ahead of my family could get you shot be me? If lead flies without regard to my family I'm dropping everyone. No time to ask who's right and wrong. Everyone involved is goin'. Quickly.
You do realize that in a world where many are armed that putting your life ahead of my family could get you shot be me? If lead flies without regard to my family I'm dropping everyone. No time to ask who's right and wrong. Everyone involved is goin'. Quickly.
He was showing me how tough he is. Just compliment his muscles and walk away.
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