Decision to make if an officer pulls you over for a routine traffic violaiton
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S&W645
NRA Life Member
Correct. If not asked, I won't tell.
As for being a LEO being dangerous, logging is more so. Agriculture in general, is more dangerous. I spent two weeks in the hospital from agri-chemical exposure which could killed me. The after affects are still not totally known but it has been banned and it is now a known cancer causing agent. Police patrol officers only rank as ninth of the top fifteen. Farmers and ranchers comes in fourth. Loggers are second. Commercial fishing is number one. The 15 Most Dangerous Jobs In America I've worked in #15, 13, 11, 10, and 4 which includes some #2.
Garbage collector is more dangerous than police officer. If a city had to lay off either there police force or garbage collectors because of budget, I would rather have my garbage collector working every week.
Treo
Bullet Proof
How about twice? happened to me too.
ArkhmAsylm
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I'll give them my permit with my license. Minnesota is a 'must notify if asked' state, but I'm going to divulge to be square with them on that fact.
I'd rather put that detail out there first then to answer the question while explaining that I have a permit.
I'll give them my permit with my license. Minnesota is a 'must notify if asked' state, but I'm going to divulge to be square with them on that fact.
I'd rather put that detail out there first then to answer the question while explaining that I have a permit.
TheFollower
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Learned to slo down after four stops in two months. Last year. Carrying three of those times. Informed all three times. Led to small talk once about what I was carrying. Once I educated the LEO as to why my permit was a separate ID. I live in MO.
Two were local PD and once was State. As I said, I drive more slowly now. Could have bought two Glocks for what that cost me.
Two were local PD and once was State. As I said, I drive more slowly now. Could have bought two Glocks for what that cost me.
Treo
Bullet Proof
And probably another for what you're going to pay in increased insurance for the next 3 years
S&W645
NRA Life Member
We can live without the police but we cannot live without garbage disposal. Well not without making some pretty bad smells.
Deserteagle
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You say that but I doubt you believe it. What would your family and wife do if you were murdered and there was nobody to even attempt to do anything about it? Your wife would have no husband, and she would be too busy working to go about trying to find witnesses from your murder and collect old evidence, assuming somebody told her you died. Without police, Im sure it would be hard for her to even find out if you had died, and much harder to do anything about it.
The police are very rarely ever there to prevent a violent crime from happening. That's why I carry a gun. If I am murdered, the fact is the police weren't there to begin with and whether or not police show up later, I would still be dead.
The garbage collector, on the other hand, contributes directly to my health and well being every week. The garbage collector is actively involved in preventing the spread of disease to me and my family.
I am absolutely serious - the farmers and the garbage collectors die on the job more often than police officers do and the farmers and garbage collectors make a much larger contribution to my health and well being every week than police officers do. Ranking which professions I would vote to keep on the job - police officers simply aren't at the top of my list. It's not a matter of if their job is important or dangerous or not. A police officer's job certainly is dangerous and important - but not as dangerous nor as important as others.
Deanimator
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It takes a sort of childlike naivete to believe that the police are going to "protect" you as an individual from a murder. Unless you have a personal bodyguard detail, it's pretty much a 100% lock that they won't.
How much effort the police put into investigating your murder after the fact is a function of a number of factors including, but not limited to:
- who you are
- what race, ethnicity and religion you are
- who your alleged murderer is thought to be (if known)
- what race, ethnicity and religion your murderer (if known) is
Deserteagle
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Do me a favor, both of you. Show me where I said anything about police protecting people. Dont change my words and start an argument about things I didnt say. I suggest you two both go back and read what I actually did say.
I clearly stated a problem posed by not having police in the aftermath of a crime. I didnt say anything about protecting you or preventing crime. Work on your reading comprehension before you start arguing with me.
And Deanimator, I love how you even put the word protect in quotes while responding to me. It implies that you are using my word. But for the life of me I just do not see where in my post you pulled the word "protect" from.
Deanimator
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Say, could you tell everybody about the New Orleans PD's "investigation" of the Danziger Bridge murders?
Did they ever "find" the perpetrators?
Deserteagle
New member
I dont know what the case is you are referring to, and I dont have the time to study it, but I have a feeling its what you are using to justify your distaste for the police. But I guess a few police officers in New Orleans accurately represent the other almost 700,000 law enforcement across the nation after all... It makes a lot of sense to generalize that many people based on one or even a couple examples of bad police.
Deanimator
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Oh, so you don't "know about" the notorious murder of several people by the New Orleans PD, accompanied by the extensive coverup?
Or maybe you also don't know about the home invasion, burglary and kidnapping ring operating INSIDE of the Chicago PD.
Or maybe you also don't know about the armed robbery ring operating inside of the Philadelphia PD.
Or maybe you also don't know about the organized torture ring operating for DECADES inside the Chicago PD.
Or maybe you also don't know about the murder of Katherine Johnston by the Atlanta PD.
It's pretty clear that you don't know about a LOT... and can't be bothered to "study" it.
Deserteagle
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Its pretty clear you are an expert on 5 cases of some law enforcement personnel being bad. Good job for you!
With your logic, you must hate the entire US military as well. After all, does Abu Ghraib ring a bell?
Deanimator
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Want more?
Link Removed
Killed on Camera
Police Torture Ring
Actually, the Chicago PD torture ring wasn't that pansy Abu Ghraib nonsense. It was real Klaus Barbie torture.
You don't know... because you don't WANT to know.
Deserteagle
New member
Why arent you hating on the US military? They tortured people. The military has the potential as you say, for dangerous actions and abuse of power just like police. If you dont hate the military for torturing people, but you hate the police for doing it, it shows your obvious bias against police. Its not the stories you have that makes you hate the police, its probably because you ended up on the wrong side of the law and now you hate them.
Oh and dont forget this one either. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327
These soldiers murdered innocent people. If you want to play this game of find bad people, we can play all day but I have a job.
