BREAKING: U.S. Army Switching to Hollow Point Ammunition

[bofh]

From BREAKING: U.S. Army Switching to Hollow Point Ammunition - The Truth About Guns:

Sources tell TTAG that the United States Army is switching from ball to hollow-point ammunition for its next generation handgun. The Army dropped the bombshell yesterday at the Modular Handgun System Industry Day in Picatinny, New Jersey. The event was held as part of the Army’s procurement process to replace the Beretta M9 handgun and the ammunition used for the gun. After making the announcement, an Army lawyer mounted the stage to mount a defense for the switch hollow-points . . .

The U.S. did not agree to a ban on expanding ammo by international treaty. And the the Army’s prepared to defend the decision in the court of international law and opinion. His core argument: countries that will denounce the use of hollow-point use the hollow points for their police forces.

The Army said it will rely on FBI data to evaluate bids for the new ammunition. It also said that it knows it will get heat for the move, but claimed the administration supported the change at the highest levels at the Department of Defense. In other words, this is as close to a done deal as it can get without a signed contract.

The question is: what about rifle ammo? We’re looking into it. Watch this space.

 

[bofh]

More on that from Link Removed:

In a significant doctrinal shift, the U.S. military is relegating full metal jacketed (FMJ) pistol bullets to a training role, and will be adopting modern hollowpoint designs similar to those used by most domestic law enforcement agencies and citizens who carry handguns for self-defense.

The stunning announcement was made at the U.S Army’s Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey yesterday during the military’s two-day “industry day” for the Modular Handgun System (MHS), which will conclude today.

A military lawyer who made a presentation during the Industry Day noted that the United States is not a signatory to the Hague Conventions which outlawed the use of “dum-dum” and expanding bullets more than a century ago. It is the military’s position that the shift to jacketed hollowpoint (JHP) ammunition, which more efficiently transfers energy to the target and which presents much less of a risk of over-penetration, is more humane and less of a risk to innocent civilians downrange in modern combat where there are often no clear front lines.

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[Blueshell]

From BREAKING: U.S. Army Switching to Hollow Point Ammunition - The Truth About Guns:

Why would this be controversial and news worthy?

 

[bofh]

Why would this be controversial and news worthy?

The declarations of the Hague Peace Conferences in 1899 and 1907 prohibit the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body. The US never signed on to that particular part, but other countries did. To avoid legal issues and public controversy, NATO members do not use JHP pistol ammunition. More on that at The Gun Zone -- Hague Convention. From a terminal ballistics point of view read this article: Combat Medic: Army's Hollow Point Ammo Switch Will (Or Should) End the Caliber Debate - The Truth About Guns.

 

[Blueshell]

The declarations of the Hague Peace Conferences in 1899 and 1907 prohibit the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body. The US never signed on to that particular part, but other countries did. To avoid legal issues and public controversy, NATO members do not use JHP pistol ammunition. More on that at The Gun Zone -- Hague Convention. From a terminal ballistics point of view read this article: Combat Medic: Army's Hollow Point Ammo Switch Will (Or Should) End the Caliber Debate - The Truth About Guns.

What a stupid thing to put in a treaty in the first place.

 

[bofh]

What a stupid thing to put in a treaty in the first place.

Remember, this was before WWI. It was the first attempt on laws of war and war crimes.

 

[Blueshell]

Remember, this was before WWI. It was the first attempt on laws of war and war crimes.

"Laws of war"....it's war, there are no laws.

 

[fuhr52]

Yes there are laws that apply to how wars are fought. The winners are the ones that get to pick and choose which laws to enforce. If you aren't in a war to win it don't get into it. Would the war criminals been the same if Japan and Germany won WWII? Not likely. Does ISIS care about any laws of war? Will any ISIS combatants be charged with war crimes if ISIS wins? Not likely.

 

[Blueshell]

Yes there are laws that apply to how wars are fought. The winners are the ones that get to pick and choose which laws to enforce. If you aren't in a war to win it don't get into it. Would the war criminals been the same if Japan and Germany won WWII? Not likely. Does ISIS care about any laws of war? Will any ISIS combatants be charged with war crimes if ISIS wins? Not likely.

See? There are no laws. Whoever wins gets their way, there are no sovereign rules of war.

 

[bofh]

As I said, it was the first attempt (of many) on laws of war and war crimes.

 

[melloyello]

So does that mean all my XTP bullets (not ammo) are going to be another government created supply shortage?

 

[m.ritz]

This whole idea of killing someone humanely in a war has always baffled me. You're going to shoot a guy in the face and argue that doing so with one type of ammunition is more humane than the other? Does it really matter at that point? You can toss a grenade at a guy and blow him literally to pieces, but it's inhumane to shoot him with a hollow point? Dumb.

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[JoshPutman]

I will believe it when I see it.

If it DOES happen, it is about damn time.

I always thought it was an idiotic idea to use fmj in combat.

Artificial intelligence will never beat natural stupidity.

 

[DavidWhite]

Looks like those billions of rounds the Guberment "purchased" will be used....

On who is yet to be determined....