There you go bringing physical size into the argument, I carry the .45 not because I'm a smaller man (6'1" 190lbs) but I don't want to have to fire 18 rounds to take my attacker down. Now if it weren't for the problem of over penetration I would carry my 44Mag. remember the reason John Browning invented the .45 ACP our soldiers were carrying .38's which happens to be the same as 9mm and their attackers weren't being stopped, the .45 ACP did the job.Yeah that's all well and good and yes a 45 would be optimal, however nobody wants to carry a gallon of milk in their waistband! I could turn that story around and say a Meth head that took 18 rounds from a 9mm could just as easily grab that 45 straight from your hand. I think it breaks down like this, having a gun isn't the end all gonna save you tool, however it ups your chances of survival. Everything after that depends on your will, physical ability, who your up against and so on. A smaller, weaker man might feel more comfortable with a 45 and be able to take that Meth head down, yet maybe I could do the same thing with a 22lr simply because I'm bigger and was able to wrestle him into a position that made my shot count, I.e neck or head
G50AE:228790 said:But if you want to make a really big hole, nothing works better than .45 ACP.
50AE, how's that work for ya?
There you go bringing physical size into the argument, I carry the .45 not because I'm a smaller man (6'1" 190lbs) but I don't want to have to fire 18 rounds to take my attacker down. Now if it weren't for the problem of over penetration I would carry my 44Mag. remember the reason John Browning invented the .45 ACP our soldiers were carrying .38's which happens to be the same as 9mm and their attackers weren't being stopped, the .45 ACP did the job.
sgtbill:235906 said:There you go bringing physical size into the argument, I carry the .45 not because I'm a smaller man (6'1" 190lbs) but I don't want to have to fire 18 rounds to take my attacker down. Now if it weren't for the problem of over penetration I would carry my 44Mag. remember the reason John Browning invented the .45 ACP our soldiers were carrying .38's which happens to be the same as 9mm and their attackers weren't being stopped, the .45 ACP did the job.
Sorry but that is so far from correct that I have to jump in here. The military was in fact carrying the .38 short. Saying just .38's is very misleading and incorrect. As far as the .38's being the same as the 9 m.m.this is also incorrect as to size .355 compared to .357 weight 124 grain vs. 200 grain. The .45 was used so that the military could in fact penetrate the banana leaves and knock down the natives that they were fighting. The leaves were being worn as a primitive type of body armoure.
Bill
speelmanc:235925 said:I think the size of the bullet matters when you can't even hit your Target. I'd rather put a single .38 special into my assailant and drop him. You pump out 15-18 rnds into someone, your going to jail for murder. The court will eat you alive. You look like a maniac carrying 3 18rnd mags. I have perfected (2 in the chest, 1 in the head).
speelmanc:235925 said:I think the size of the bullet matters when you can't even hit your Target. I'd rather put a single .38 special into my assailant and drop him. You pump out 15-18 rnds into someone, your going to jail for murder. The court will eat you alive. You look like a maniac carrying 3 18rnd mags. I have perfected (2 in the chest, 1 in the head).
Sometimes.Listen. As a former marine who had the PRIVELAGE of using his 9 mil during an Op. I will say that your source is wrong and the 9mm ball will effectively take down a man quickly with proper shot placement.
I would suggest that you might want to grab a copy of Personal Defense 2011 from Shooting Times. Compare a Federal Hydra-Shok 230gr .45ACP with any 9mm Luger round they tested. Compare wound cavities. The only one that comes close is 9mm Speer Gold Dot 124gr. The only one in .45ACP that was below the 9mm group was a Federal 230gr FMJ. Otherwise, all .45ACP tested did better than all 9mm tested except the Speer. None beat the 230gr FMJ for penetration though. 31+" in 10% gel.There is almost no difference in the performance of top 9mm, .357 sig, .40 and .45 loads.
There are charts and ballistics gel tests all over the net that confirm this.
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Yeah have you shot a lot of people personally? And as for the guy who's "perfected 2 in the chest 1 in the head", that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. You've perfected nothing for starters, and unless that guy you're pumping full of bullets did something sick and twisted like kill your family while you watched, you should stick with enough shots until neutralized, otherwise you shouldn't be carrying as nothing would separate you from a "bg"
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