Factcheck.org, eh? Have you ever thought about who's fact-checking the fact-checkers?
Stop and Frisk was never compliant with Terry v. Ohio, not in NYC, not in Oakland, CA, nor anywhere in between. Terry has its own Fourth Amendment problems, but S&F far-exceeded anything Terry allowed. S&F is just that - a cop sees someone, they stop 'em without a shred of RAS or PC, and pat 'em down for weapons. At least Terry stipulates that RAS must be present, and that the mere possession of a weapon is not sufficient to create RAS absent any other suspicious activity by the subject, that latter point being necessary to articulate in the ruling because Ohio is an open carry state and the Supremes saw fit to disallow the legal possession of a gun being the only thing needed for a cop to violate the subject's 4A rights. Factcheck.org saying that S&F and Terry Stops are basically one in the same is just the first hint that whoever wrote that is full of bovine excrement, and that nothing that follows it is trustworthy for truth or accuracy. They do allege that it was the judge who ruled that, and I wouldn't dismiss that possibility out of hand either, but it simply ain't true no matter who or what organization is the origin of that lie.
Regardless, it can hardly be validly asserted that support for S&F would come out of the mind of someone who claims to support the Constitution. That goes for everybody from Donald Trump to the statist hacks of the Supreme Court who have so watered down the Fourth Amendment that it has nothing but rhetorical value left within it, down to the voters who think it's just great that Trump is willing to sacrifice their fundamental rights for the ridiculous notion of "law and order" coming out of constitutional usurpations(!!!), and right on down to the cops on the street who are thrilled with the Supreme Court giving them carte blanc to violate The Peoples' rights not only with impunity, but with the imprimatur of legitimacy that the law-breaking Supreme Court
rules with. Terry is also an example of the same statist overreach, as is NFA34, GCA68, the Hughes Amendment to FOPA and on and on endlessly until the Constitution is nothing more or less than a rotting piece of sheepskin parchment unceremoniously tucked away in a not-so-hermetically-sealed glass case where the ink is as faded as the intended meanings of the words therein.
