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By FWebb
As a citizen of these United States, you are not obligated to identify yourself to a police officer unless that officer can “reasonably” suspect that a crime is imminent or already under way. Well, unless you live in one of those “stop and frisk” states, of course. But I consider those to be more akin to the USSR than the United States of America.
That means that you need not identify yourself to an officer unless that officer can show probable cause that a crime is being committed (again, unless you live in one of the “stop and frisk” police states).
Yeah yeah yeah, but what does that really mean? That means that if you’re carrying your (legal, of course) weapon into a store and are breaking no laws, you need not even look in the direction of a police officer if you don’t want to.
Someone forgot to tell that to these two Ohio cops, who decided to harass one Ray Call for openly carrying his firearm in his hip holster into a Speedway. After threatening him with “reckless inconvenience and noise disturbances”, and — wait, WHAT? Noise disturbances? And get this little gem:
“Why are you out with a gun?”
“Exercising a right”
“What right is that?”
“The second amendment.”
“Which is to?”
“Bear arms”
“And you think you can just walk in a store with a gun, and refuse to identify yourself, and have no ID on you?”
“That is correct.”
Well actually, officer douchebag, that is correct. According to the Ohio Revised Code section 2921.29,
Unless an officer reasonably suspects a person is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a criminal offense, that person is not required to disclose their name, address, or date of birth.
Since Ohio allows open carry without a license, there was no crime being committed, nor was there reasonable grounds for suspicion of one.
Way to go, Ohio PD. You’re about to cost your department a lot of money because you couldn’t be bothered to read the laws you are sworn to uphold.
Since the posters of this video have requested that it not be embedded, follow the link here to see the original dashcam footage, courtesy of the Freedom of Information Act.
As a citizen of these United States, you are not obligated to identify yourself to a police officer unless that officer can “reasonably” suspect that a crime is imminent or already under way. Well, unless you live in one of those “stop and frisk” states, of course. But I consider those to be more akin to the USSR than the United States of America.
That means that you need not identify yourself to an officer unless that officer can show probable cause that a crime is being committed (again, unless you live in one of the “stop and frisk” police states).
Yeah yeah yeah, but what does that really mean? That means that if you’re carrying your (legal, of course) weapon into a store and are breaking no laws, you need not even look in the direction of a police officer if you don’t want to.
Someone forgot to tell that to these two Ohio cops, who decided to harass one Ray Call for openly carrying his firearm in his hip holster into a Speedway. After threatening him with “reckless inconvenience and noise disturbances”, and — wait, WHAT? Noise disturbances? And get this little gem:
“Why are you out with a gun?”
“Exercising a right”
“What right is that?”
“The second amendment.”
“Which is to?”
“Bear arms”
“And you think you can just walk in a store with a gun, and refuse to identify yourself, and have no ID on you?”
“That is correct.”
Well actually, officer douchebag, that is correct. According to the Ohio Revised Code section 2921.29,
Unless an officer reasonably suspects a person is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a criminal offense, that person is not required to disclose their name, address, or date of birth.
Since Ohio allows open carry without a license, there was no crime being committed, nor was there reasonable grounds for suspicion of one.
Way to go, Ohio PD. You’re about to cost your department a lot of money because you couldn’t be bothered to read the laws you are sworn to uphold.
Since the posters of this video have requested that it not be embedded, follow the link here to see the original dashcam footage, courtesy of the Freedom of Information Act.