One in chamber? Yes / No
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maine04619
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That is the dumbest comparison I have ever heard. A round int he gun is not reckless nor has doing so ever caused harm to anyone or anything. Any NG was due to the USER!
Ps PLEASE post a vid somewhere of you DRAWING your weapon form you're normal CC CAMBERING a round and FIRING in 2.5 seconds. I would LOVE to see it.
That said Drawing the same firearm LOADED would likely cut said time up to almost half. Of course you have also left it open Murphy to bite you in the rear HARD...
wolf_fire
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I train with one in the chamber and therefore I carry with one in the chamber. I shouldn't have to rack the slide which could give up a tactical position in some situations with noise or more importantly lose precious time to get that first shot off. If I have to use lethal force; the quicker I can get my firearm out of my holster, on target, and fire at the threat until the threat stops being a threat, then the safer I am. If one is nervous about carrying with one in the chamber, frankly, I feel they do not understand their firearm safely enough to be carrying it.
I would not want to be in a shtf situation with that person by my side protecting me or anyone else.
I also notice that this is your first post. If you are truly new to firearms, please get some more training.
Four rules of safe gun handling:
1) All guns are always loaded (this is a state of mind... you treat every firearm as if it will go bang)
2) Never cross over or point at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and have made the conscious decision to shoot.
4) Be aware of your target what is in front and behind it.
If you deliberately train with these four rules in mind, you will handle every firearm with the utmost of safety at all times. If you don't, you will hurt yourself or someone else and you shouldn't be allowed to carry.
wolf_fire
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Originally Posted by JimTh
No I don't carry one in the chamber. My preference please!!! Of course some will tell me about all those horror stories about the ones that didn't keep one in the chamber and were killed by accident or otherwise...oops...the reverse is true. I can draw my weapon and chamber a round in about 2.5 seconds. If I don't have that much time then I am probably already dead. If you don't scold me for not keeping a round in the chamber I promise not to tell you how reckless keeping a round chambered can be. I have evidence to support my statement as the reverse is not true. Never heard of anyone loosing a gun fight because he did not have a round chambered! Situational awareness is my best defense.
Wow, first thing I thought of was the Tuller drill. Tuller came up with a drill to draw and fire quickly because a person with a knife 21 feet away (7 yards) can be on you stabbing you within 2 seconds. In 2.5 seconds, the poster would be dead from a knife while he had the gun. I've trained with one in the chamber and from a Level II holster can still draw and fire on my target in under 1.7 sec. With a holster without levels, I can draw and fire much quicker.
Thanks for sharing the post of an amateur Maine04619 so others can see the error of their ways.
No I don't carry one in the chamber. My preference please!!! Of course some will tell me about all those horror stories about the ones that didn't keep one in the chamber and were killed by accident or otherwise...oops...the reverse is true. I can draw my weapon and chamber a round in about 2.5 seconds. If I don't have that much time then I am probably already dead. If you don't scold me for not keeping a round in the chamber I promise not to tell you how reckless keeping a round chambered can be. I have evidence to support my statement as the reverse is not true. Never heard of anyone loosing a gun fight because he did not have a round chambered! Situational awareness is my best defense.
Wow, first thing I thought of was the Tuller drill. Tuller came up with a drill to draw and fire quickly because a person with a knife 21 feet away (7 yards) can be on you stabbing you within 2 seconds. In 2.5 seconds, the poster would be dead from a knife while he had the gun. I've trained with one in the chamber and from a Level II holster can still draw and fire on my target in under 1.7 sec. With a holster without levels, I can draw and fire much quicker.
Thanks for sharing the post of an amateur Maine04619 so others can see the error of their ways.
wizard
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I find it hard to believe that anyone concerned with their safety or that of their loved ones, that decides to carry a firearm, would not have a round chambered, as it essentially renders the firearm useless. My biggest concern would be the badguy that I did not see, grabbing me, and not being able to rack the slide because I am fighting him off with one or both hands. Would you carry a revolver without ammunition in the cylinder?
I carry all my carry guns loaded and one in the chamber. If I only have one hand, I will get my firearm into action. Hopefully my situational awareness keeps me from ever having to shoot someone, but I am ready should the need arise!
I carry all my carry guns loaded and one in the chamber. If I only have one hand, I will get my firearm into action. Hopefully my situational awareness keeps me from ever having to shoot someone, but I am ready should the need arise!
njsportsman
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Can't disagree that situational awareness is key but, being prepared is even higher than that. Even the top law officer’s can tell you that being prepared is your best line of defense which IMO includes awareness. Believe it or not 2.5 seconds then the time it takes to adjust and shoot. Even if that’s only another second is too much because I will bet you anything that the BG is got one chambered and all he has to do is pull the trigger while you’re chambering and setting. Maybe if you’re walking up on trouble taking your time is an option. I hear the same old garbage from one of my buddies that I argue this very topic all the time and I quote” if I don’t have time to load I am probably already dead”. Well maybe so but, if the BG guys me an opportunity to shoot then all I have to do is draw and shoot. You and my buddy have to draw , chamber and shoot way to much heads up for the BG and let’s hope you’re not too nervous and need to rack the slide twice because the first time you screwed something up in all the confusion. Bottom line is maybe your right maybe you are already dead but, I would hate to think of what would be going through someone’s head if they had an opening but lost it because he didn’t have one chambered. Safety is key practice as much as you can. I always practice at the range in my home drawing from my holster with snap caps of course. To me it’s not an option and like another argument I have with my buddy on how many rounds you need well it all depends on the situation some people are happy with a 5-6 shot revolver with a couple of speed loaders and some have an armory on them. Me I’m with the armory people I carry what I can hold because again I don’t want to be second guessing myself why I only have 10 or 12 shots instead of my Glock with 3 mags and a backup.
Austin
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Everyone has their own opinion. When I am carrying as a civilian I do not have a round chambered (unless its a revolver). At work, the department mandates that we have one chambered and thats no problem at all.
If you carry without a round chambered you need to be proficient enough to draw and rack one in a prompt manner. I practice this and it is really not much slower for me to do that then it is to just draw.
Do what you are comfortable with and only that. Also consider how you are carrying...
If you carry without a round chambered you need to be proficient enough to draw and rack one in a prompt manner. I practice this and it is really not much slower for me to do that then it is to just draw.
Do what you are comfortable with and only that. Also consider how you are carrying...
apvbguy
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sir: with all due respect if I may invite you to my range so we can see and measure the time it takes you to react to a BG with your unloaded weapon and after we measure your reaction times I will do the same with my chambered round and we'll see who can get lead into the target faster. in preparation I invite you to research the tueller drill as a reference point.
this is an open invite to you or anyone else who is up for the challenge.
I would enjoy seeing your skills so if you are ever in the St. Augustine FLA area and want to either try out your drawing and firing skills or if you just want to "bust some caps" send me a PM and I'll put it together.
dad45acp
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With all due respect you are and will always be at a critical tactical disadvantage not matter how you say you practice if you continue to leave a round unchambered. Why don't you have a buddy rip some sim rounds at you during your draw and rack sequence to make it more real for you. It may change your mind....
The_Outlaw
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Austin....I must 'strongly' disagree with your post.
I believe that this video will clearly show why you are mistaken in your thought process'.
Please review this video and take what it being taught to heart.
I believe that it could save your life someday.
maine04619
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Ok so you carry for a DEPT police??? Likely open carry. How many le's have been shot because they could not get there gun out in time and they are loaded and ready. All that empirical evidence and you somehow think that now you can draw from you're CCW location rack you're slide ( hoping Murphy does not sneak up on you ) and fire in a reasonable time?
You folks ant to carry with a UNLOADED firearm that's you're choice in America we have to right to do dumb things. Any of you non loaded folks in Maine want to learn why this is folly please pm me I will take you out to the range myself and in less then a hour I can prove how foolish you're choice is.
mojoman
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Well, guys and gals it's seem like some don't want to carry with one in the chamber and that's okay,it he or she feel that they don't want to carry with one in the chamber, Hey okay, I can respect that but as far as myself we will be carry one and two if I could in the chamber or chamber, like the double barrel .45 that was at the shot show. Hey peoples take care and be safe.
Rocketgeezer
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Austin, you may be a fine police officer, but I do have to say this is the first time I have heard of a cop carrying unchambered, on duty or off
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