God & the Bible, squaring belief with reality

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God Warns, That Those Who Don't Love The Truth, Will Become Victims Of The Lies They Have Believed.
The only problem with this is what if YOUR book ( that has so so many flaws in it already to have been shown ) is wrong? What if the Jews are right? Maybe the muslims are correct? Maybe us realists are correct? What if any of the hundreds of thousands of "religions" out there are the real one?
 
The only problem with this is what if YOUR book ( that has so so many flaws in it already to have been shown ) is wrong? What if the Jews are right? Maybe the muslims are correct? Maybe us realists are correct? What if any of the hundreds of thousands of "religions" out there are the real one?

Asking this question indicates to me that you may not be a believer in Jesus Christ. If you were, and knew your Bible, the thought would have never entered your mind.
 
The only problem with this is what if YOUR book ( that has so so many flaws in it already to have been shown ) is wrong? What if the Jews are right? Maybe the muslims are correct? Maybe us realists are correct? What if any of the hundreds of thousands of "religions" out there are the real one?

“The Bible has so many errors or contradictions”. What version? Site verse please so I may look this up. I would love to see who, what, when and where for my information. Please and thank you.
 
The only problem with this is what if YOUR book ( that has so so many flaws in it already to have been shown ) is wrong? What if the Jews are right? Maybe the muslims are correct? Maybe us realists are correct? What if any of the hundreds of thousands of "religions" out there are the real one?
What is it that a "realist" believes to be correct? Where are the flaws that you say have been shown? Out of the hundreds of thousands of religions you speak of , which one can you present containing 100's of prophecies written 1000's of years in advance that have all come true 100% and are yet being fulfilled this day in our daily current events besides the Bible? (this thread #234) Every religion is a real religion, however there is only one truth. One second after we're dead, we will know which one was the true word of God, it's that simple. All religions have one thing in common, they all attempt to get to God man's way. Christianity is getting to God, God's way, FAITH in the shed blood of Jesus Christ only. And, it's not MY book, it's God's book.
 
“The Bible has so many errors or contradictions”. What version? Site verse please so I may look this up. I would love to see who, what, when and where for my information. Please and thank you.
People don't reject the Bible because the Bible contradicts itself, people reject the Bible because the Bible contradicts them.
 
Many people think that there are contradictions between the four Gospels.

Let four people witness an event, then write about it. Each person will look at the event from their own viewpoint. Their stories will never be identical, and each might be very different, because people are different and look at/for different things.

The Gospels are no different, the books of the Bible were written by men inspired by God...but men nonetheless. If you actually read them in context with each other, you will find that they complement each other rather than contradict, and you get much more details about the incidents recorded in multiple Gospels than if you consider them four separate standalone books.

Seeing them as contradictions is the way that the nonbelievers want you to see them.

Personally, I am a realist. That is why I am a Christian.
 
What is it that a "realist" believes to be correct? Where are the flaws that you say have been shown? Out of the hundreds of thousands of religions you speak of , which one can you present containing 100's of prophecies written 1000's of years in advance that have all come true 100% and are yet being fulfilled this day in our daily current events besides the Bible? (this thread #234) Every religion is a real religion, however there is only one truth. One second after we're dead, we will know which one was the true word of God, it's that simple. All religions have one thing in common, they all attempt to get to God man's way. Christianity is getting to God, God's way, FAITH in the shed blood of Jesus Christ only. And, it's not MY book, it's God's book.
A realist is a person who believes in REALITY. Flaws how about 666? You do know the oldest text of the bible says the # is 616 right. Next let us look at what is at the front of almost every church the big WHITE guy on a cross. First Jesus was not white! Second the Romans did not drive nails through ( spikes ) through the hand they woudl rip through the nails where driven through the two bones of the forearm. Last the feet where not crossed and one nail driven through both the nail was driven through each ankle and into the side of the cross. Given the complete lack of correct information just on this one thing your really going to try to tell me that the the modern bible that was translated from Hebrew ( something still not able to be done without interpretation due the the differences in the languages) then the editing by man over and over again leaving things out and putting things in? What about all the books the Vatican left out? If they are all from god why leave some out? How about three wise men in every nativity scene but they are NOT in the bible are they! Jonah and the Whale? There was no whale was there! So please let me know how many more mistakes I can point out to you I have LOTS more. I woudl bet you think Adam and Eve got booted from Edan for eating the apple to don't you? Fyi I took several years of theology and have actually read almost every version of a holly book out there.
 
A realist is a person who believes in REALITY. Flaws how about 666? You do know the oldest text of the bible says the # is 616 right. Next let us look at what is at the front of almost every church the big WHITE guy on a cross. First Jesus was not white! Second the Romans did not drive nails through ( spikes ) through the hand they woudl rip through the nails where driven through the two bones of the forearm. Last the feet where not crossed and one nail driven through both the nail was driven through each ankle and into the side of the cross. Given the complete lack of correct information just on this one thing your really going to try to tell me that the the modern bible that was translated from Hebrew ( something still not able to be done without interpretation due the the differences in the languages) then the editing by man over and over again leaving things out and putting things in? What about all the books the Vatican left out? If they are all from god why leave some out? How about three wise men in every nativity scene but they are NOT in the bible are they! Jonah and the Whale? There was no whale was there! So please let me know how many more mistakes I can point out to you I have LOTS more. I woudl bet you think Adam and Eve got booted from Edan for eating the apple to don't you? Fyi I took several years of theology and have actually read almost every version of a holly book out there.
You took theology? Guess you really believe in "knowing thine enemy". Never really understood why you guys spend so much time studying about something you totally don't believe in.

But most atheists I know truly know more about the Bible and its history than most Christians. Too bad.
 
Humans using their material mind trying to interpret a book written by and for a generation long gone. In words and parables that may or may not have any meaning or the same meaning as words today. A book inspired by a spirit with a spiritual mind that the material mind has no grasp of by design, in my opinion. Gee I don't now how the Bible could ever be misunderstood. There is a reason it's called Faith.
 
Humans using their material mind trying to interpret a book written by and for a generation long gone. In words and parables that may or may not have any meaning or the same meaning as word today. A book inspired by a spirit with a spiritual mind that the material mind has no grasp of by design, I my opinion. Gee I don't now how the Bible could ever be misunderstood. There is a reason it's called Faith.

fuhr: You hit the nail on the head! Faith is the factor that people like maine 04619 seem to be lacking and which is the key to the whole belief in Jesus Christ. It seems like he reads the Bible, not for it's content, but what he considers to be errors. He isn't looking for an understanding of the message being presented, he is looking to be the editor and critic. He is trying to intellectualize his position but, much to his chagrin, he will find that his intellect can't compare to that of God. God has infinite wisdom, man has infinite stupidity and seeks to display this stupidity without really knowing what he is talking about. Fortunately, God is merciful and will allow people like that time to come to Him in repentance. But, He will only wait for so long then they will have lost their chance!
 
As Jesus told Thomas after his resurrection, "Thomas put your hand into my side and your fingers into the nail holes in my hands and believe, because you have seen. Blessed are those that haven't seen and believe."
 
A realist is a person who believes in REALITY Jonah and the Whale? There was no whale was there! So please let me know how many more mistakes I can point out to you I have LOTS more. I woudl bet you think Adam and Eve got booted from Edan for eating the apple to don't you? Fyi I took several years of theology and have actually read almost every version of a holly book out there.
Knowing that all lies begin with "self-deceit" and you are clearly self-deceived, and therefor I won't follow you down your rabbit trail any further than what I relate here. First, Israel is God's Prophetic Timepiece, and if you were truly a realist and a theologian you would not be ignorant of today's current events surrounding Israel as prophesied in The Book you claim to know so much about. Second, you should also be aware that the Bible doesn't say that Jonah was swallowed by a whale..Jonah 1:17.."But the Lord provided a "great fish" to swallow Jonah". Third, Genesis 2:17.."But you must not eat from the tree of the "knowledge of good & evil", no mention of any Apple. Genesis 3:2.."You must not eat "fruit" from the tree that is in the middle of the garden", once again no mention of any Apple. It's obvious that in your years of study of "almost' every "holly" version you claim to have read, you failed to include the" Holy" Bible. :rolleyes:
 
A realist is a person who believes in REALITY. Flaws how about 666? You do know the oldest text of the bible says the # is 616 right. Next let us look at what is at the front of almost every church the big WHITE guy on a cross. First Jesus was not white! Second the Romans did not drive nails through ( spikes ) through the hand they woudl rip through the nails where driven through the two bones of the forearm. Last the feet where not crossed and one nail driven through both the nail was driven through each ankle and into the side of the cross. Given the complete lack of correct information just on this one thing your really going to try to tell me that the the modern bible that was translated from Hebrew ( something still not able to be done without interpretation due the the differences in the languages) then the editing by man over and over again leaving things out and putting things in? What about all the books the Vatican left out? If they are all from god why leave some out? How about three wise men in every nativity scene but they are NOT in the bible are they! Jonah and the Whale? There was no whale was there! So please let me know how many more mistakes I can point out to you I have LOTS more. I woudl bet you think Adam and Eve got booted from Edan for eating the apple to don't you? Fyi I took several years of theology and have actually read almost every version of a holly book out there.

Again, site The Verse, the version you are reading and the books the Vatican left out. Then we shall go over them. The whale does not equal fish, the three wise men you talk of and the whit guy on the cross you speak of is not from the front of my Holy place nor the book you may be refering to. However, chatting with a non Chrisian about an issue that is in me is as one would find telling a blind man what blue is. Or, Obama and his folks what Work is, or . . .OH, next time you take several years of somthing, let it not be health service and call yourself an M.D. What version what books? Jst the fact please.
 
You took theology? Guess you really believe in "knowing thine enemy". Never really understood why you guys spend so much time studying about something you totally don't believe in. But most atheists I know truly know more about the Bible and its history than most Christians. Too bad.
Studding the beliefs of society has nothing to do with supporting any one view but about learning what and why people think and act the way they do.
 
Again, site The Verse, the version you are reading and the books the Vatican left out. Then we shall go over them. The whale does not equal fish, the three wise men you talk of and the whit guy on the cross you speak of is not from the front of my Holy place nor the book you may be refering to. However, chatting with a non Chrisian about an issue that is in me is as one would find telling a blind man what blue is. Or, Obama and his folks what Work is, or . . .OH, next time you take several years of somthing, let it not be health service and call yourself an M.D. What version what books? Jst the fact please.
My point is that if the bible is the word of god then the fact that the majority of folks do not know what it says is a statement on the whole issue. As for the books left out well they are to many to name and many we do not know the names of I will throw out the gospel of Mary anyway. I see you skipped over the most basic flaw and the one most easily seen. The statute of Jesus. He was not WHITE. He was not nailed though his palms OR with his feet crossed in front you simply can NOT hang a person from a cross this way they will simply slide off. Also according to historical finds those put on the cross where also tied. The issue with religion is faith. To many faith trumps reality and fact. Thus having any rational exchange is not possible. I note you also left out the number?
 
My point is that if the bible is the word of god then the fact that the majority of folks do not know what it says is a statement on the whole issue. As for the books left out well they are to many to name and many we do not know the names of I will throw out the gospel of Mary anyway. I see you skipped over the most basic flaw and the one most easily seen. The statute of Jesus. He was not WHITE. He was not nailed though his palms OR with his feet crossed in front you simply can NOT hang a person from a cross this way they will simply slide off. Also according to historical finds those put on the cross where also tied. The issue with religion is faith. To many faith trumps reality and fact. Thus having any rational exchange is not possible. I note you also left out the number?

The first Autographs were the Ten Commandment. God gave 603 other commandments to Moses as well. Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy a.k.a. Torah was copied on scrolls, The Levites were in charge of God’s words. They made copies of the scrolls. The Levites copied every letter of Moses’ five books for safekeeping. Deuteronomy 31:24-27. Josephus, Against Aprion, Book I, Section 8 ( A theological student might have a hint as to this person’s background) lists the decrees of God. Anyway. The priests were to make exact copies of the writings of Moses. The kings of Israel were also to make copies. The exact translations taken from Antioch, not the corrupted Egyption-Alexadria versions, may be traced some time from 120 A.D. the Vudios. The Authorized King James version of 1611 is verified by the Dead Sea Scrolls and many other manuscripts. If one will utilize the vast knowledge gleaned over the past thousands of years, one may find a wealth of information confirming the validity of the Word. I for one use a vast array of resources. Just to familiarize myself with all available material and relying on them with their corrupted text of the NIV and comparing them to the 1611 I am satisfied. Why do I bother? I love the Word. I love the knowledge gained by His RULE Book.
 
Why do I bother? I love the Word. I love the knowledge gained by His RULE Book.
As I stated this is the reason facts do not matter as faith excuses all fats and reality. This is the same reason all cults exist. Faith can never be questioned no matter how easy it is to disprove in reality.
 
The first Autographs were the Ten Commandment. God gave 603 other commandments to Moses as well. Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy a.k.a. Torah was copied on scrolls, The Levites were in charge of God’s words. They made copies of the scrolls. The Levites copied every letter of Moses’ five books for safekeeping. Deuteronomy 31:24-27. Josephus, Against Aprion, Book I, Section 8 ( A theological student might have a hint as to this person’s background) lists the decrees of God. Anyway. The priests were to make exact copies of the writings of Moses. The kings of Israel were also to make copies. The exact translations taken from Antioch, not the corrupted Egyption-Alexadria versions, may be traced some time from 120 A.D. the Vudios. The Authorized King James version of 1611 is verified by the Dead Sea Scrolls and many other manuscripts. If one will utilize the vast knowledge gleaned over the past thousands of years, one may find a wealth of information confirming the validity of the Word. I for one use a vast array of resources. Just to familiarize myself with all available material and relying on them with their corrupted text of the NIV and comparing them to the 1611 I am satisfied. Why do I bother? I love the Word. I love the knowledge gained by His RULE Book.

OH, well, facts do not matter. Guess I shall join the Brady bunch, UN gun treaty and all the others. Facts, why bother with facts, they just get in the way of what folks want to think.
 
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