more for the badgefluffers to deny


And it's getting worse. The IRS targets "True the Vote" as Al Sharpton, who owes millions in back-taxes enters the White House. Gibson Guitars gets raided by a SWAT team because the feds think they have endangered wood in their factory. On and on.
 
Welcome to the "American Police State"!
Whitehead's article linked above is a brief but excellent overview of the situation in this country and it is dire for the folks. Three unrecognized felony commissions a day for the average citizen... are you kidding me? Make the enforcement/(in)justice system so onerous, surveillance so all encompassing, all the government has to do is wait, arrest gun owners on some charge (advanced to a felony of course) and voila, no more right to firearms and the people are essentially disarmed.
And that "forced labor" thing... how else do embedded corporations compete with China and the 3rd world and continue to pocket big profits? Fascism... well, here we are.
 
I was on the "book of face" a few months back, and there was a post about the 2nd Amendment. There were a couple cops that had commented and swore that they were "Pro 2nd Amendment"... I asked them both to answer a simple question to prove if they really were, or just thought they were..... The ? was "If you pull someone over for speeding, and you find out during the stop that they have no priors, etc... , yet you find out they are carrying a firearm concealed without a "permit", what would you do"? They BOTH stated that they would arrest the guy... So, I asked them HOW they could be "Pro-2nd Amendment" IF they would arrest someone for breaking a "law" that is 100% UNCONSTITUTIONAL (anti-2nd Amendment) and they huffed and they puffed and said "but its the law".... Their OWN WORDS PROVED that they were ANTI-2nd Amendment.... They didnt like it much when I pointed that out to them... In fact, they got so belligerent about it, they were kicked off the group, lol
 
I was on the "book of face" a few months back, and there was a post about the 2nd Amendment. There were a couple cops that had commented and swore that they were "Pro 2nd Amendment"... I asked them both to answer a simple question to prove if they really were, or just thought they were..... The ? was "If you pull someone over for speeding, and you find out during the stop that they have no priors, etc... , yet you find out they are carrying a firearm concealed without a "permit", what would you do"? They BOTH stated that they would arrest the guy... So, I asked them HOW they could be "Pro-2nd Amendment" IF they would arrest someone for breaking a "law" that is 100% UNCONSTITUTIONAL (anti-2nd Amendment) and they huffed and they puffed and said "but its the law".... Their OWN WORDS PROVED that they were ANTI-2nd Amendment.... They didnt like it much when I pointed that out to them... In fact, they got so belligerent about it, they were kicked off the group, lol

Nice way to embellish your position. A law even if considered unconstitutional is still a law, want to fight it do it as per current laws. What you believe and what the current laws dictate have clashing effect.
 
Only to someone who is uninformed..
I'm not in uniform, but I'm smart enough to know that claiming unconstitutionality will get you absolutely nowhere if you refuse to address it through the legal system. Complaining about it just makes you a noisy loudmouth. If you want to affect change, the legal system is the only way to do it, unless you use politics to change the laws the legal system is using. And blaming cops for enforcing the law is stupid.
 
Nice way to embellish your position. A law even if considered unconstitutional is still a law, want to fight it do it as per current laws. What you believe and what the current laws dictate have clashing effect.

The SCUS says different....

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made,
under the Authority of the United States, shall be the Supreme Law of the
Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in
the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."


Consider this opinion of the Supreme Court:

The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the land, and any statue, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:

The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.

An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.

Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principals follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it . . .

A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one.

An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law.

Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it is superseded thereby.

No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.

-- Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 177. (late 2nd Ed. Section 256)





Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many Citizens, because of their respect for what appears to be law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their rights due to ignorance.
--US. v. Minker, 350 US 179 at 187




An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as inoperative as though it had never been passed.
--Norton v Shelby County, 118 US 425, 442






All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void.” (Marbury vs.Madison, 1803.)
 
And blaming cops for enforcing the law is stupid.

No, STUPID is telling everyone they should obey "laws" that are unconstitutional.... The cops took an OATH to defend the CONSTITUTION.... If they break that oath, they are nothing more than jackbooted THUGS/Gang members for the tyrants in power... If the idiots in congress passed a "law" today that said all people in the US has to turn in all their firearms or be shot on sight, would YOU STILL BE TRYING TO TELL US THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW THAT LAW???

I swear, some people who claim to be FOR "RIGHTS" dont know chit....
 
And blaming cops for enforcing the law is stupid.
It depends.

If a law is so BLATANTLY unconstitutional that it "shocks the conscience", a cop who enforces it can be liable.

If your town passed a law requiring Jews to wear yellow stars of David, and authorizing police to beat any Jew who didn't, what do you think would happen to the cop who beats 80 year old Mrs. Cohen into a coma?

Likewise a law requiring all Black people to leave town before sundown, or requiring women to have male "guardians" when they leave the house?

How about a law banning criticism of the mayor? Think the cop who arrests somebody for violating it isn't going to end up living under a bridge?
 
It depends.

If a law is so BLATANTLY unconstitutional that it "shocks the conscience", a cop who enforces it can be liable.

If your town passed a law requiring Jews to wear yellow stars of David, and authorizing police to beat any Jew who didn't, what do you think would happen to the cop who beats 80 year old Mrs. Cohen into a coma?

Likewise a law requiring all Black people to leave town before sundown, or requiring women to have male "guardians" when they leave the house?

How about a law banning criticism of the mayor? Think the cop who arrests somebody for violating it isn't going to end up living under a bridge?
Good thing we're not talking about anything like that.
 
Who knows; we might be.

Remember, twenty years ago the right to keep and bear arms wasn't even a federally recognized INDIVIDUAL right.
It depended on who you asked back then. But we're talking about right here in this thread, not court decisions or legal opinions twenty years ago.
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Dont poke a wolverine with a sharp stick unless you want your balls ripped off.
Being childish won't rip anything. You're a good debater. Don't cheapen it.
 

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