Magazine Capacity Laws

[Nightmare45]

2nd Amendment should be the only carry permit. Folks like the anti gunners in all states are no different than the folks that helped heard the Jews into death camps in Nazi Germany.

 

[wolf_fire]

My friend lives up near Downsville (I left for SC 10 years ago) and he got his full carry permit on first try about 8 months. His Glock 19 came with 10 round mags. Many gun manufacturers make 10 rounder's because NY is not the only state that has a 10 round limit. Unfortunately some less than ethical people have been know to cross the border into that lawless abyss of PA where high capacity mags are available to those willing to risk mighty Cuomo's wrath. I for one find that despicable and under no means would support it.

I see two possibilities how this post was written. Either it is pure and utter sarcasm, at which point I smile and chuckle.

Or, it's legitimately how you feel. At which point, I raise my left eyebrow and wonder why you would defend the hypocritical unconstitutional types that are in office in NY and admonish freedom lovers in PA?

Which state is more lawless, the one that has trampled on your rights so much that most typical New Yorkers cannot legally defend themselves or the state that supports the 2A by not putting magazine restrictions on your firearms and setting nearly impossible parameters to carry in the state.

Yes, PA is not perfect, we still have a permit system. We need to get rid of that. But otherwise it is a carry friendly state.

NY residents have no issues defending themselves, for sure. Read NYS PL Article 35 to understand that statement. And there are not impossible parameters to carry in the state. With over 1.1 million CCW permits outside of NYC, concealed carry is very normal. My county has 370,000 residents with nearly 40,000 CCW permits. While NY has some very bad laws there are way too many people making comments on the laws here with no knowledge of them.
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Now I'm no one special. I don't know some insder who gave me a permit. I applied, paid $115 and had a permit in 88 days that is good everywhere outside of NYC. I get up, get dressed, put my gun in my pocket and legally go about my entire day. Same with all my friends and their wives. None of us have ever had a hassle.

Please include my entire quote and realize that I still have no idea why any NYer would call PA the "lawless abyss" or even if SC was joking or not.

Also, which type of license to carry are your NYers carrying:

(a) Premise Dwelling – Have and possess in his dwelling by a householder. Seriously? Permission for carry in your HOME??

(b) Premise Business – Have and possess in his place of business by a merchant or storekeeper. Seriously? Permission to carry in your business?

(c) Bank or Express Messenger – Have and carry concealed while so employed by a messenger employed
by a banking institution or express company.

(d) Justice of The Supreme Court 1st or 2nd Judicial Dept. or Judge of NYC Civil or Criminal Court –
Have and carry concealed by a justice of the supreme court in the first or second judicial departments, or by a
judge of the New York City civil court or the New York City criminal court.

(e) Employee Of Corrections – Have and carry concealed while so employed by a regular employee of an
institution of the state, or of any county, city, town or village, under control of a commissioner of correction
of the city or any warden, superintendent or head keeper of any state prison, penitentiary, workhouse, county
jail or other institution for the detention of persons convicted or accused of crime or held as witnesses in

criminal cases, provided that application is made therefore by such commissioner, warden, superintendent or
head keeper.

(f) Proper Cause – Have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession, by any
person when proper cause exists for the issuance thereof.

(g) Antique Pistols – Have, possess, collect and carry antique pistols which are defined in section

And this is why I took umbrage from any NYer calling PA the "lawless abyss" with regards to firearms. NY is a MAY ISSUE state. It has so many convoluted types of licensing to limit its peoples and if some Sheriff decides, Nope you aren't getting one, you aren't getting one. Yes, there are NYers with licenses, great... I'm glad they got through all the BS. Just shy of half of the population of NYS is from NYC. You do the math at how most won't be able to get a license.

 

[SCfromNY]

Jeez, you folks need to relax. I am astonished that anyone thought my post was anything but sarcastic. I will now continue with something that will probably irritate some of those. This is part of the problem. People can be pro gun and adamantly supportive of the second amendment without looking at every thing as anti. Maintaining such a defensive attitude without knowing the facts or jumping in aggressively is not a way to win over those not sure of their stance. There are people willing to listen to an intelligent coherent discourse on guns but they will be put off by militant attitudes, justified or not.

BTW . . . since perhaps the sarcasm about Cuomo didn't resonate. Back when father was Gov. I was involved in what we called "ABC" AnyBodybutCuomo, a chant that might be revived for the next election.

 

[BC1]

Also, which type of license to carry are your NYers carrying:

(a) Premise Dwelling – Have and possess in his dwelling by a householder. Seriously? Permission for carry in your HOME??

(b) Premise Business – Have and possess in his place of business by a merchant or storekeeper. Seriously? Permission to carry in your business?

(c) Bank or Express Messenger – Have and carry concealed while so employed by a messenger employed
by a banking institution or express company.

(d) Justice of The Supreme Court
(e) Employee Of Corrections
(f) Proper Cause – Have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession, by any
person when proper cause exists for the issuance thereof.
(g) Antique Pistols – Have, possess, collect and carry antique pistols which are defined in section

And this is why I took umbrage from any NYer calling PA the "lawless abyss" with regards to firearms. NY is a MAY ISSUE state. It has so many convoluted types of licensing to limit its peoples and if some Sheriff decides, Nope you aren't getting one, you aren't getting one. Yes, there are NYers with licenses, great... I'm glad they got through all the BS. Just shy of half of the population of NYS is from NYC. You do the math at how most won't be able to get a license.

First, the answer is (F). Proper cause is nothing more than saying you want it. People use the second amendment as proper cause hundreds of times per day. You don't need a reason.
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Second, while NY is considered "may issue" there is no difference between may issue and shall issue. In NYS one cannot be denied a permit without cause. A denial may not be arbitrary or capricious. The reason must be stated in any letter of denial. Acceptable reasons for denial are criminal history, current/ongoing criminal prosecution and mental health issues. A sheriff is not at liberty to rule like Julius Cesar. He can't deny based on rumor or his own political views. Most states will deny a permit to persons with a violent criminal past or those who are adjudicated mentally unfit. These people aren't passing a NICS check anyway.
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Third, premise permits are a joke. No one who couldn't get a carry permit is getting a premise permit, or any other permit.
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Fourth, I've done many permits over the last 10 years for customers. I've seen exactly two denials. One for a guy with an open protection order from a DV incident. Another from a guy who was arrested for punching his son, knocking his teeth out. Both justified denials.
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I know these laws well. Every day I read or hear someone claim something about NYS that just isn't supported by law. Conjecture, innuendo, rumor... all alive when it comes to pro-gunner bashing anti-gunners. The facts never seem to get in the way of a good bashing. Its like Obama... keep telling mistruths and eventually they're regarded as fact. Keeping in mind of course that NYS does have some very bad laws. But there are provisions in the SAFE act that I agree with. If some bug is about to wig-out and his doctor knows it he should report him... or if you commit a gun crime there should be a longer sentence... etc. People don't see that part of it. Those kind of laws might have some affect but wanting to enforce mag limits, reporting bullet sales or requiring micro-stamping just shows ignorance.
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And that 40% of the population from NYC? They don't want permits. They don't want guns. They don't wan 16 ounce sodas. Hell, a very large percentage are new to America. They have crazy laws there. If you blow your horn its a $250 fine. They just elected a new mayor who makes Bloomburg look like an NRA board member. They're not victims of an anti-gun state. They want this crap. They vote for these hack candidates and then make their own laws, separate from the state. NYS gun law and NYC gun law are vastly different. If the people in that rat-hole didn't want these laws they wouldn't elect socialist/communist candidates like DeBlasio. NYC is a country unto itself with 8 million residents. Americans are becoming the minority.
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Will the last American leaving please bring the flag.

 

[wolf_fire]

So, BC1, how is PA the "lawless abyss" compared to NY again with regards to firearms? I didn't see that answer in your entire post.

You had some nice points, but none answered my umbrage to having PA called the "lawless abyss".

Now that SC has told us that it was sarcasm, it probably is a moot point by now.

 

[BC1]

So, BC1, how is PA the "lawless abyss" compared to NY again with regards to firearms? I didn't see that answer in your entire post.

You had some nice points, but none answered my umbrage to having PA called the "lawless abyss".

Now that SC has told us that it was sarcasm, it probably is a moot point by now.

I didn't say PA was a lawless abyss. I don't believe that to be true at all.

 

[wolf_fire]

I didn't say PA was a lawless abyss. I don't believe that to be true at all.

LOL, My original post was defending PA from SCfromNY who called PA a "lawless abyss" but he has since posted that it was pure sarcasm.

 

[BC1]

LOL, My original post was defending PA from SCfromNY who called PA a "lawless abyss" but he has since posted that it was pure sarcasm.

PA is about 30 miles from my home. I have some friends there. It's really nice country around Matamoras and the Delaware. I would live there in a heartbeat.

 

[wolf_fire]

PA is about 30 miles from my home. I have some friends there. It's really nice country around Matamoras and the Delaware. I would live there in a heartbeat.

There are really only two places PA is not really nice country... .Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. However, Pittsburgh is a very pretty city, until you start walking around in it.

If you are closer to the eastern part of PA might I suggest World's End State Park and Rickett's Glen State Park. They are next to each other and both have excellent views and hiking trails but Rickett's Glen has a 3.5 mile hiking trail in which you will see 21 waterfalls. Breathtaking.