Howdy,
I just got a new job that supplies me with a company fleet vehicle. In the packet that I received, it says that I am unable to have a weapon of any kind on me in the vehicle. My question is, is this legal? I know that they would fire me if I was in a situation where I needed to protect myself and used my gun, but I think I would rather err on the side of caution and be safe. I know it is my decision on whether to carry or not, but it doesn't seem like a company could tell me to drive all day with no protection legally.
Thanks,
Aggiebryan
I agree with the above posts. The Constitution states that the government shall not infringe (and we all know how that is going) but does not extend into private businesses. So...with that being said, I would try an appeal. Find out who in the company is in authority to rescind that rule and provide good, well researched data and present him/her with an appeal. Many companies are concerned with employee safety since that comes with a cost to their bottom line. You might incorporate that into your appeal. The worst that can happen is that things will stay as they are.
Howdy,
I just got a new job that supplies me with a company fleet vehicle. In the packet that I received, it says that I am unable to have a weapon of any kind on me in the vehicle. My question is, is this legal? I know that they would fire me if I was in a situation where I needed to protect myself and used my gun, but I think I would rather err on the side of caution and be safe. I know it is my decision on whether to carry or not, but it doesn't seem like a company could tell me to drive all day with no protection legally.
Thanks,
Aggiebryan
an over zealous cop at a routine traffic stop could uncover that concealed weapon pretty easily.
I would try an appeal. Find out who in the company is in authority to rescind that rule and provide good, well researched data and present him/her with an appeal. Many companies are concerned with employee safety since that comes with a cost to their bottom line. You might incorporate that into your appeal. The worst that can happen is that things will stay as they are.
Now you've introduced a bit of confusion in the discussion. If your company is CC friendly, to a degree, the no guns in vehicle policy seems odd. Is the vehicle actually company owned, or is the vehicle leased by your company from some third party? Whose is making the no gun rule?Thanks, I was pretty sure that what you all said was right. It just seems crazy that they would want me on the road all of the time without a weapon. Hell, the company offers concealed carry classes! It is just a matter of the fleet company not wanting them in the car. I have already been trying to find someone to talk to that has the power to make a decision, but keep finding the roadblocks instead of the right people.
Quite possibly the worst possible advice you could be given. If you do try an appeal and it gets denied you are going to be squarely on the company's radar and along the same lines as them being able to give the police consent to search the vehicle you can't deny them the right to search their vehicle. leave the gun at home
Now you've introduced a bit of confusion in the discussion. If your company is CC friendly, to a degree, the no guns in vehicle policy seems odd. Is the vehicle actually company owned, or is the vehicle leased by your company from some third party? Whose is making the no gun rule?
The company is leasing the vehicle from a 3rd party. In fact my company is extremely CHL friendly, which is why I even have the question. I can carry on the company premises, but I can't carry in the vehicle that gets me there. Sorry I left out that detail.
What work duties do you perform from the vehicle? Are you in sales, or do you enter several businesses and/or private residences each work day? It may be some insurance-imposed policy where the insurance company precludes by contract any liability for coverage for damage or injury that happens on the property of someone not insured by them.
I worked for eight years outside the brick-and-mortar location of my employer. Five of them I spent obeying the no-weapons rules. After co-workers were robbed three times during those five years, the last one being put in ICU in a freakin' coma from a cinder-block from behind to the side of his head, I said screw the rules and carried for the remaining three years that I worked there. Those three years were also spent cultivating relationships with the armored truck couriers that came into the business three times a week. When I left, I left to go to work for the armored transport company and didn't have to worry about carrying for the next five years, at which time I went to work at another no-weapons company. Screw them too. I carried. Dime-a-dozen jobs are a dime-a-dozen. I'm not giving you advice, I'm just relating what my conclusions have been for the same question you're trying to answer for yourself.
I imagine your state and/or jurisdiction within your state has some bearing on the legal questions you seek answers to, but I didn't see if you said where you live. For instance, here in Alabama a law just went into effect late last year that says an employer cannot prohibit their employees from having weapons in their vehicles while they're inside working and their car is in the parking lot. That means the state protects the citizens' rights to travel to and from work while armed. It crossed my mind to wonder if your job is in large part actually traveling in a car, whether supplied by the company or not, would a law like that extend to your work day as long as when you're out of the car, you unstrap? Not sure about that, and as far as I know, our parking lot law is not all that common, so chances are you don't enjoy similar state-protected privileges. But there ya go, your state may still have some bearing in sussing out the legalities.
Blues
The company is leasing the vehicle from a 3rd party. In fact my company is extremely CHL friendly, which is why I even have the question. I can carry on the company premises, but I can't carry in the vehicle that gets me there. Sorry I left out that detail.
That doesn’t make any sense if the company is leasing the vehicle then for the term of the lease the vehicle belongs to the company. If I lease an automobile the company I leased it from can’t tell me what legal items I may or may not have in the vehicle.
I also drive a company vehicle. I do not bring my handgun with me while I am at work, not because state law says I can not carry a weapon but because I do not want to get fired.
I do have a company policy that says I can not have a weapon in my personal vehicle if it is parked on company property. Now this I do have a problem with. I believe I actually read in policy for the company I work for that they could search my personal vehicle. I was floored when I read this but I kept my comments to myself. But you better believe I would not allow my managger to search my vehicle, PERIOD!
Thanks, I was pretty sure that what you all said was right. It just seems crazy that they would want me on the road all of the time without a weapon. Hell, the company offers concealed carry classes! It is just a matter of the fleet company not wanting them in the car. I have already been trying to find someone to talk to that has the power to make a decision, but keep finding the roadblocks instead of the right people.
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