Your rights are now suspended.


Sheldon

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Can't happen here huh.....

June 29, 2009




Welcome to Shreveport: Your rights are now suspended.

According to Cedric Glover, mayor of Shreveport, Louisiana, his cops "have a power that [. . .] the President of these Unites States does not have": His cops can take away your rights.

And would you like to guess which rights he has in mind?

Just ask Shreveport resident Robert Baillio, who got pulled over for having two pro-gun bumper stickers on the back of his truck -- and had his gun confiscated.

While the officer who pulled him over says Baillio failed to use his turn signal, the only questions he had for Baillio concerned guns: Whether he had a gun, where the gun was, and if he was a member of the NRA. No requests for a driver's licence, proof of insurance, or vehicle registration -- and no discussion of a turn signal.

Accordingly, Baillio told the officer the truth, which led the police officer to search his car without permission and confiscate his gun.

However, not only does Louisiana law allow resident to drive with loaded weapons in their vehicles, but Mr. Baillio possessed a concealed carry license!

What does such behavior demonstrate, other than transparent political profiling -- going so far as to use the infamous Department of Homeland Security report on "Americans of a rightwing persuasion" as a how-to guidebook, no less?

Mr. Baillio made no secret of his political affiliations: An American flag centers a wide flourish of pro-freedom stickers and decals on his back windshield.

In fact, when Baillio asked the officer if everyone he pulls over gets the same treatment, the officer said no and pointed to the back of his truck.

Baillio phoned Mayor Glover to complain about this "suspension of rights" only to find that his city's morbidly obese "commander in chief" was elated at the story: According to Glover, Baillio got "served well, protected well, and even got a consideration that maybe [he] should not have gotten."

Thankfully, Mr. Baillio recorded a good bit of that phone call. You can watch a video with the transcriptions here. I've reproduced a chunk of the call below:


Baillio: (in the context of being asked about the presence of a gun) Well, I answered that question honestly, and he disarmed me.

Glover: Which would be an appropriate and proper action, sir. The fact that you gave the correct answer -- it simply means that you did what it is you were supposed to have done, and that is to give that weapon to the police officer so he could appropriately place it in a place where it would not be a threat to you, to him, or to anyone in the general public.

[. . .]

Glover: My direction to you is that, had you chosen not to properly identify the fact that you had a weapon and directed that officer to where that weapon was located; had you been taken from the vehicle, and the officer, in the interest of his safety, chose to secure you in a safe position, and then looked, found, and determined that you did, in fact, have a weapon...then, sir, you would have faced additional, [inaudible], and more severe criminal sanctions.

Baillio: So what you're saying is: I give up all my rights to keep and bear arms if I'm stopped by the police: Is that correct?

Glover: Sir, you have no right, when you have been pulled over by a police officer for a potential criminal offense [which would be what?! - DB] to stand there with your weapon at your side in your hand [Baillio's weapon was nowhere near his side or his hand, and Glover knew that. -- DB] because of your second amendment rights, sir. That does not mean at that point your second amendment right has been taken away; it means at that particular point in time, it has been suspended.


Will Grigg from ProLibertate, an excellent freedom blog, has this to say:


According to Glover, a police officer may properly disarm any civilian at any time, and the civilian's duty is to surrender his gun -- willingly, readily, cheerfully, without cavil or question.

From Glover's perspective, it is only when firearms are in the hands of people other than the state's uniformed enforcers/oppressors that they constitute a threat, not only to the public and those in charge of exercising official violence but also to the private gun owner himself.

NAGR spoke with Mr. Baillio, and he told us that he's in the process of securing the official procedures and codes for firearm handling and private property confiscation for the Shreveport police department.

So far, the city has been half-heartedly cooperating with him.

"I felt sick," Baillio told NAGR. "My uncles didn't die for this country so I could surrender my rights like a wimp. I felt terrible. I was just thinking of all that my family has done for freedom in this nation -- including dying -- and here they are disarming me at a traffic stop."

What to do?


Read Luke's commentary here, and participate in the discussion by leaving a comment.
Send this around. This kind of behavior cannot go unchecked.
Call Mayor Glover's office to complain: (318) 673-5050.


I'll leave you with one last consideration. As a licensed firearms instructor in charge of a hundred different students every month, I'm often asked if citizens should voluntarily inform police officers of the presence of a firearm during a routine traffic stop.



While different states have different laws, my answer for Colorado citizens is an emphatic "No": Colorado law doesn't require you to volunteer that kind of information, and this case in Louisiana proves why, if at all possible, you should never invite trouble by doing so.

In liberty,

Dudley Brown
Executive Director
National Association for Gun Rights
 

utimmer43

New member
I can't imagine this will make it beyond a district court, with a huge settlement in Mr. Baillio's favor.
 

HK4U

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Get a good lawyer and teach them a lesson they will never forget. Hit them where it hurts. In the pocket book.
 

DebS

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I wrote Mayor Glover regarding my disbelief that a US Citizen was unlawfully denied his Constitutional 2nd Amendment rights and honest to God this was his (immediate) reply:


Deb,

Looks like Goebbels is heading up this propaganda campaign. Fortunately, it will be about as successful as his earlier efforts in the long run. Have a Happy 4th.

Cedric B. Glover
MAYOR





WTF?
 

OUTTAHERE

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Shreveport retaliation

The best way to get the mayor's attention that he has wronged a law abiding citizen is for people from all
over the country to call every one of the casinos in Shreveport and tell them that they are canceling their plans
to go to the casinos and furthermore will never go to them again due to the position that the mayor is taking
on anyone carrying a gun. Believe me, the casino owners WILL get his attention.
This man's attitude, besides being illegal, is outrageous and he needs to be held accountable in a court of law
and at re-election time. Letters, lots of letters, need to be written to the local paper(s) and letting people
know that their mayor and police force is out of touch with the law and disregarding a law abiding citizen's legal right to carry a gun.
 

DougG

New member
I have in the past taken myh elderly aunt to the Casinos in Shrevesport but I will avoid that town from now on and take her to Oklahoma:mad:
 

festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
Here is the mayors e-mail address

mailto:[email protected]?subject=Mail from Mayor's Website
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Write this guy and let him know how you feel. Don't sugar coat it and don't hold back...just don't theaten him or say anything unlawful.

If we are lucky...his immense size will remove him from office due to medical issues and we will not have to deal with this schmuck.
 

HK4U

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Contacted his office. I let them know that neither I nore my family would ever spend another dollar in his city and that I would e-mail everyone I know about this. I told them that it is obvious the mayor and police there have America confused with the Soviet Union.
 
Wrote Mayor Glover and explained my possible change in vacation plans. I asked for verification of this story and that I would not visit his city if they were true. Let's see just how much a writing campaign can do.
 
Well I received a response from my email. Here it is:

If the gun rights movement is to be taken seriously, it must move away from the Joseph Goebbells brand of propaganda. Mr. Baillio has literally become your Tawana Brawley. Come get to know Shreveport for yourself and know that both you and your rights will be respected. Happy 4th.
 

Piece Corps

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Well I received a response from my email. Here it is:

If the gun rights movement is to be taken seriously, it must move away from the Joseph Goebbells brand of propaganda. Mr. Baillio has literally become your Tawana Brawley. Come get to know Shreveport for yourself and know that both you and your rights will be respected. Happy 4th.

Yep! Just remove all pro-gun stickers from your vehicle, leave your carry permit at home, and don't bring any firearms to Shreveport, and we'll get along just fine.

According to our map up here on USA Carry, Louisiana honors my Florida permit. So if I drive into Shreveport carrying, I am perfectly legal. But since even its own citizens have no rights, reciprosity is a moot point in Shreveport. Hence I will have no reason to visit Shreveport. Whic his probably just what the good sheriff wants.

P.S. - I just wrote the good mayor myself, and am now waiting for a repsonse. If forthcoming, I will post my letter and his response up here.
 

DebS

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P.S. - I just wrote the good mayor myself, and am now waiting for a repsonse. If forthcoming, I will post my letter and his response up here.


You'll probably get a referral to Goebbells just as ronwill and I did. Interesting the Mayor seems to know and compare what he sees as his own 'persecution' to an avid anti-semite and devout Nazi follower of Hitler.
 

Piece Corps

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Quite the opposite. He actually likes me! Here's what I wrote:

Dear Mayor Glover,

I don't really care about Mr. Baillio and his run-in with your deputy. For all I know, he might just have done something to aggravate the situation. I don't believe in passing judgment before I have heard both sides of the story, so I will withhold my judgment and opinion in this case, also.

However, I travel in and through Louisiana quite frequently, and I am a member of the NRA and the GOA. I have their respective stickers on my vehicle. And I am also licensed by the state of Florida to carry a concealed weapon, which I always do. I understand that Louisiana and Florida have a reciprocity agreement. Can you reassure me that I am welcome to travel through your city in my vehicle with my concealed weapon without having to worry about being stopped and searched?

And if you cannot, can you explain to me why not?

And here's his reply (I think hew actually likes getting e-mails, because he answers them so quickly:

Yours is a most refreshing email. Thank you for the chance to answer your question. By all means your rights will be respected here in Shreveport. The fact of the matter is, I advocated and voted for our state's concealed carry law while a member of the Louisiana Legislature. Additionally, the officer who detained Baillio is an NRA member himself. Thanks again and have a great 4th,

Cedric

He even signed his post, "Cedric." My, how nice he is! I'll have to stop off at his place and have a cup of joe with him when I pass through Shreveport. And if one of his jack-booted thugs stops me, why, I'll whip out a copy of his e-mail to me and tell them that me and the mayor are cool beans! And they'll probably give me an escort right to...the frikkin' jailhouse! That is, after they confiscate my gun and truck. But maybe not...I'm not one of hizzoner's subjects, you see.
 
Quite the opposite. He actually likes me! Here's what I wrote:



And here's his reply (I think hew actually likes getting e-mails, because he answers them so quickly:



He even signed his post, "Cedric." My, how nice he is! I'll have to stop off at his place and have a cup of joe with him when I pass through Shreveport. And if one of his jack-booted thugs stops me, why, I'll whip out a copy of his e-mail to me and tell them that me and the mayor are cool beans! And they'll probably give me an escort right to...the frikkin' jailhouse! That is, after they confiscate my gun and truck. But maybe not...I'm not one of hizzoner's subjects, you see.

Odd, all I asked was verification of some statements. Even told him I didn't believe all the emails and web findings. I guess my mistake was mentioning a possible change in vacation plans. Oh well.
 
He got his gun back at the end of a stop for suspicion of DWI. This is a non-story.

The question here is not the stop made by the officer but the statements made by the mayor afterwords. It seems the officer was professional and courteous at all times. He even followed Baillio to a restaurant so he could pick up his order before they closed. He was just following orders of a mayor who made statements after it happened like "Your rights are suspended when an officer stops you". Rights are never "suspended", at least not until you are actually convicted of a felony. As for the stop, if not using a turn signal is reason to stop for a DUI check, most drivers where I'm at should be stopped then. Remember the mayor is also a member of Mayors against illegal guns. What is an illegal gun is the key here.
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
Do a google search on the most corrupt states in America and guess which one comes out on top just about every time? That's right, it's Louisiana! This is just yet another in a long line of abuses of power in a state that has a legacy of corruption. Unfortunately I am ashamed to to call this state my birthplace. I have only been there three times since I've been an adult, and all of those times it was to visit family.
 

conservativedrink

ConservativeDrink.com
Hi DebS,

I'm and good friend of Robert Baillio and the blogger on Link Removed who posted all the information over Cedric Glover's comments, etc.

Did Glover respond via email or an actual letter? Can you provide me a copy? I'd love to post a blog article about it, and reference this forum as the source if that is cool.

You can feel free to contact me directly at rex (at) conservativedrink (dot) com.

PS: Hello to everyone on the forums!
 

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