Would you or wouldn't you?

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I think I would be obliged to help. That way a favor can be returned later. Yes sir I know I was slightly exceeding the posted speed limit but remember when you guys were short ammo? Well I gave and your welcome. Have a nice day officer.




Everybody’s having a hard time finding ammunition. Even people who work at ammunition manufacturing facilities are having a hard time finding ammunition. For months now, people have been buying all the ammo they can find in response to gun control proposals and laws passed and pending.

The effects of this have fallen at the feet of many law enforcement agencies, who are having an extra-difficult time finding both target and training ammunition as well as self-defense ammo.

It has gotten to the point where police departments are cutting back on training and rationing their existing ammunition.

When Proctor, Minn. chief of police Walt Wobig found out that his department wouldn’t be able to lay hands on ammunition for six to eight months, he put out a call for help, and the people answered.

I was really surprised, let’s just put it that way,” said Wobig to NNCNOW.com.

“I go, ‘Do you have 40–caliber qualification rounds?’ And [the supplier said], ‘Well, no. It’s going to take six to eight months,” Wobig continued. ”The citizens were like, ‘If you need something, we got plenty here.’”

“I had several other calls from other citizens that said, ‘Hey, if you need more ammunition we have plenty,’” said Wobig, “I know that if I need ammunition I have citizens out there that will gladly come forward.”

The Chief considers the ammo a “loan” and will replace what the department uses when they eventually get ammo through standard channels.

And while there’s no mystery as to why the public is stockpiling ammo, that does touch on another subject, why is the Department of Homeland Security stockpiling ammo?

To-date, the DHS has not supplied an official reason for their massive multi-billion-round ammunition purchases, which will be spread out over the next five years.

“With more than 100,000 armed law enforcement personnel in DHS, significant quantities of ammunition are used to support law enforcement operations, quarterly qualifications, and training, to include advanced firearms training exercises,” said agency spokesman Peter Boogaard to Congress.

Some have suggested that the DHS was building up a cache to share with local law enforcement should the need arise, although that doesn’t appear to be the case in Proctor; “support” must have another meaning.

The DHS is currently under investigation by the Government Accountability Office for their ammo purchases. The GAO launched their investigation following the DHS testimony to Congress, which they found unconvincing.

Still, it must be reassuring to the people of Proctor that their neighbors are happy to help out like this. Not every community would be willing to do the same.

Would you loan your ammo to your local PD if they ran out? Or would you tell them to kindly call DHS to see if they’d be willing to help?

Minnesota Police Chief Turns to Public for Ammo Handouts (VIDEO) - Guns.com
 
I think I would be obliged to help. That way a favor can be returned later. Yes sir I know I was slightly exceeding the posted speed limit but remember when you guys were short ammo? Well I gave and your welcome. Have a nice day officer.

Ain't quid pro quo policing grand? I would never risk my liberties to the reciprocal notion of tit-for-tat "fair play" from a cop. Not on your freakin' life, or more accurately, not on mine.

Would you loan your ammo to your local PD if they ran out? Or would you tell them to kindly call DHS to see if they’d be willing to help?

Neither. I'd tell 'em all to go pound sand and continue to take care of me and mine just like I always do.

Blues
 
Screw em.

I was prepared enough to purchase and keep ammo for myself. Why is it that an agency that relies on ammunition to function couldn't do the same?

Here's the other rub. Police departments do not have a legal obligation to protect me and mine. I DO have a moral obligation to do so. If I give my ammo away to the police that are too inept to get the ammo they need, then that means my ammo that I need for my protection will go to those that don't/won't/can't protect me. Hmmmm, yeah, I have a BIG problem with that.

They can kiss my arse if they want my ammo.
 
To my local sheriff's department, possibly... if they had a good reason why they needed it right now (someone is trying to take over our county? but then I'd just join them). Otherwise they can do mostly dry fire practice like the rest of us do when we're broke. Or get one of the fun laser training pistol thingies I want. And start reloading! There might be regulations saying they can't use reloads on the job, but at least for practice...

Heck, Minnesota isn't bad, but in some states I'd be afraid of any ammo donated being used against me. Nice that they have that much faith in their police there.
 
I would wanna keep the local cops on my side but as far as city cops go, they can s.a.d.--I don't think they would get anything but the middle finger. Sheriffs dept is another I may or may not want to help and from what I saw during Pittsburgh's G20 summit they may also get told to feck off. The county sheriff however is the highest elected officer of the law of the state that stands between the feds and your rights. Some sheriffs are DHS puppet a-holes and some actually know what their job is when it comes to protecting ones rights so that could go either way.
 
I would willingly loan some ammo to some of the other guys living in my little circle. We look out for each other, which some people out for walks find a bit disconcerting. We check out (watch closely, we don't stop and question anyone) anyone wondering around in our circle. If ammo was in sort supply I'd loan some to my buds so we could all have a safer place to live. Cops? They can call on homeland security or something. We got enough guns and ammo to protect our own.
 
Ain't quid pro quo policing grand? I would never risk my liberties to the reciprocal notion of tit-for-tat "fair play" from a cop. Not on your freakin' life, or more accurately, not on mine.



Neither. I'd tell 'em all to go pound sand and continue to take care of me and mine just like I always do.

Blues

Almost never agree with this guy but this time he's spot on
 
Neither. I'd tell 'em all to go pound sand and continue to take care of me and mine just like I always do.
Blues
Same here, neither. And the only place that I've ever found any ammo shortage is at Wally World. Our LGS have always had ammo, only negative is price gouging. I've ordered all of my ammo on line for the past few years, prices beat the LGS any day of the week even with shipping charges. I've got more stored ammo than I'll ever use or need. No problem here. :cool:
 
I think I would be obliged to help. That way a favor can be returned later. Yes sir I know I was slightly exceeding the posted speed limit but remember when you guys were short ammo? Well I gave and your welcome. Have a nice day officer.


I have read and re-read this first line to your post and it has bothered me to the point that I must say something.

You are actually endorsing helping out the police in order for you to commit a crime and get away with it. Seriously? This is the most self-absorbed tripe I've read in awhile.

It's one thing to be ignorant about knowing something, it's another to be selfish, but you are using the guise of "being nice" for your own selfish gain. This is horrible.
 
Just how big of a conflict of interest do we want our LEA's to have in doing their jobs correctly.
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If an individual supports their efforts and is repaid in leniency, what is the guy who is a known carrier and isn't supporting the LEA's efforts to commandeer ammo going to get if stopped or questioned. Are they going to ask for a donation before they determine how they are going to handle the stop, will we need to keep a stash of 40 cal. in our truck just in case.
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I understand the LEA's position and I consider a citizens concern for their PD as well. But interactions of this nature must be conducted very carefully so to not impose any conflict of interest. What would be next the local drug dealer with a load of 40 cal. showing up to help out their local PD for favors in return? I know this far fetched and very very unlikely, but the point needs to be made.
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My point is this needs to all be contractual, no loaned ammo, they buy it outright with the understanding that the transaction is over and done, everything above board.
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That being said, I personally am not going to provide anyone other than family or members of our mutual protection group anything. If we can measure our needs and provide for ourselves, everyone else can do the same. Protect thee own a$$.
 
I have read and re-read this first line to your post and it has bothered me to the point that I must say something.

You are actually endorsing helping out the police in order for you to commit a crime and get away with it. Seriously? This is the most self-absorbed tripe I've read in awhile. Get over it, probably won't be the last

It's one thing to be ignorant about knowing something, it's another to be selfish, but you are using the guise of "being nice" for your own selfish gain. This is horrible.


Oh fer crissakes, gimme a break. I think you read too much into that. Wouldn't you expect something in return? If not ammo then some other form of payment like a get out of jail free card. No one is endorsing committing a crime and I certainly don't view a traffic stop as a "crime" it's a traffic stop with a citation issued or a warning issued unless the reason for the stop was to apprehend for say a felonious act. So you think that no one bribes or pays off the police to look the other way? How about people who are related to or are neighbors with or good friends of cops who ask to have traffic tickets fixed or maybe some item in the evidence room connecting someone to a murder disappears. There is a whole lot of you scratch my back I'll scratch yours in this world so damn straight there skippy I am going to be selfish with them.
 
Oh fer crissakes, gimme a break. I think you read too much into that. Wouldn't you expect something in return? If not ammo then some other form of payment like a get out of jail free card. No one is endorsing committing a crime and I certainly don't view a traffic stop as a "crime" (wrong) it's a traffic stop with a citation issued or a warning issued unless the reason for the stop was to apprehend for say a felonious act. So you think that no one bribes or pays off the police to look the other way? How about people who are related to or are neighbors with or good friends of cops who ask to have traffic tickets fixed or maybe some item in the evidence room connecting someone to a murder disappears. (did you just admit this on a public forum??) There is a whole lot of you scratch my back I'll scratch yours in this world so damn straight there skippy I am going to be selfish with them.

Wow.... I guess I understand the character of who you are much better after reading this.

A) traffic offenses are crimes... yes they are not felonies, but they are crimes, regardless of your views.
B) Yes, I know people bribe the police to look the other way. However, this actually IS a felony offense.
C) Any cop I have met that has fixed tickets is looked down upon rather severely.
D) Tampering with evidence for a murder case... yup another crime.
E) Thinking that because someone else does it "makes it OK", skippy, doesn't really sit well with me nor most in a civilized society... but whatever floats your boat.

However, aside from all that, I'm glad you've made a permanent electronic record of what you are about so if you ever are arrested, some DA doesn't have to look too far to see the character of the person they are dealing with. You just admitted that lying, tampering with evidence, and bribing cops is just A-OK with you. Good one, skippy!
 
Screw em.

I was prepared enough to purchase and keep ammo for myself. Why is it that an agency that relies on ammunition to function couldn't do the same?

Here's the other rub. Police departments do not have a legal obligation to protect me and mine. I DO have a moral obligation to do so. If I give my ammo away to the police that are too inept to get the ammo they need, then that means my ammo that I need for my protection will go to those that don't/won't/can't protect me. Hmmmm, yeah, I have a BIG problem with that.

They can kiss my arse if they want my ammo.

I would also not give any of my ammo that I had a hard time getting! In fact I would not even admit that I had any ammo!

My wife has a cousin who is an FFL and was licensed to be able to manufacture guns. He told me that once there were some Leo's in his shop and saw a rifle that he had just bought. They said that their Department did not have anything like that and said that IF they ever needed to borrow a gun like that because of some kind of trouble they knew where to go. He lives in a small rural community and everybody knows everybody. He told them that they if he still had it then he would let them use it.

Now that would be OK IMO. In a small town like that it is good to be a good neighbor but in a big city, NO! They tend to have VERY short memories!
 
I guess I'll be swimming against the tide here because I'd loan them some ammo (not give it to them). I know many of the LEOs in this area and I know they work just as hard as I do and care about their community just as much as I do. And the reason why they didn't stock up is because they aren't allowed to. Municipal agencies, particularly law enforcement departments, are given operating budgets, not stockpiling budgets, and their monthly expenditures are monitored. The politicians that control their purse strings would, in most cases, never allow them the money to stockpile much of anything, particularly ammo. That's certainly true around here.
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And I agree with wolf_fire that it should never be done expecting favors in return, most especially favors that involve breaking the law.
 
I guess I'll be swimming against the tide here because I'd loan them some ammo (not give it to them). I know many of the LEOs in this area and I know they work just as hard as I do and care about their community just as much as I do. And the reason why they didn't stock up is because they aren't allowed to. Municipal agencies, particularly law enforcement departments, are given operating budgets, not stockpiling budgets, and their monthly expenditures are monitored. The politicians that control their purse strings would, in most cases, never allow them the money to stockpile much of anything, particularly ammo. That's certainly true around here.
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And I agree with wolf_fire that it should never be done expecting favors in return, most especially favors that involve breaking the law.

How's that 2 billion round request for DHS then?

Screw em... screw em all... screw em hard!
 
As the local head of the county police dept is anti us having guns, he can want all he wants. Note I didn't call him a Sheriff as we don't elect him.
 
Quick answer only if it were me and him behind a car in a firefight together, trying to confiscate my guns would still give them bullets from the wrong side of the gun. Nope seems good to me.
 

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