Would you give this felon a gun?

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Traitor to his country. Aiding and abetting a known felon (Paul Revere), Aluding capture, etc, etc. This guy needs to fry and should never be allowed in the same room with a firearm, right?

Exiled in Cohasset: The Lantern Hanger’s Story
David Wadsworth

From David Wadsworth, "Cohasset's Revolutionary war visitor Captain John Pulling;" Historical Highlights, Cohasset Historical Society, Spring 1989. Reprinted by permission of the author.

Captain John Pulling . . . is not often identified with the history of Cohasset, but a traceable link exists between that [Revolutionary War patriot] and this small South Shore fishing village, where he secretly resided during the spring of 1775.

Born at Boston in 1737, John Pulling was a well-known merchant . . . and from [his youth] had been a close friend of the ardent patriot Paul Revere. Pulling joined the cause of liberty and became a member of Boston's Committee of Correspondence. With Revere, he was part of a committee of citizens established to "collect the names of all persons who have in any way acted against or opposed the rights of this country."

Pulling also served as a vestryman of Boston's North Church, [which] would become famous for its role in alerting citizens of the movement of British troops on the eve of their planned march to Lexington and Concord. John Pulling was the person who lit and hung the two signal lanterns in the steeple of the Old North. "One if by land and two if by water" had been the signal they agreed to show in the church tower when British troops began their march.

At about 10:00 p.m. the evening of April 18, 1775, [Boston's] revolutionary Committee on Safety received word that [British] troops were embarking in boats for the first leg of their expedition to destroy patriot ammunition supplies stored in Concord. Immediately riders on horseback left the city to spread the word throughout villages and farms where patriot militiamen awaited the message.

Across the Charles River from Boston, citizens waited and watched for the signal . . . in the Old North's steeple. Paul Revere himself had arranged for the lantern signal . . . and had enlisted the help of vestryman John Pulling for lighting and placing the appropriate number of lanterns. Upon receiving word that British troops were moving in boats, Pulling, whose home was near the church, went to the house of church sexton Robert Newman and obtained the keys to the building. He then climbed its steeple and placed the two brightly lit lanterns where they would be seen by watchers on the other side of the Charles.

The signals were also seen by the British, who quickly deduced their purpose. Almost immediately the sexton Robert Newman was placed under arrest. It was he who gave John Pulling's name to British officials, and a search for the hanger of the lanterns began. At first Pulling hid in his own house, inside an empty wine cask in the cellar. Then, disguised as a fisherman, he eluded the troops and embarked upon a small skiff to leave the city by sea . . .

In Boston Harbor Pulling's skiff was challenged by a nearby English warship at anchor, but allowed to pass. Sometime later the small boat arrived at Nantasket Beach, where its passenger apparently disembarked. At the same time, his wife, [Sarah Thaxter Pulling], daughter of an old Hingham family, had also fled Boston . . . Mrs. Pulling seems to have been the first to arrive at a safe location, "an old cooper's shop on the Cohasset shore." She was later joined by her husband.

The identity and precise location of the Cohasset cooper's shop is not known, although historians conjecture it might have been among the numerous fishing and mercantile buildings located near our harbor. Here the Pullings remained, safe from British eyes. In their hasty flight from Boston, they had left all their property at home and arrived in Cohasset with scarcely any belongings. Thus the couple was destined to suffer from lack of resources during their time in exile. The patriots John and Sarah Pulling would not return to their Boston home until the last British troops evacuated the city.

Among the few belongings they were able to bring with them to Cohasset was Sarah's Bible, which remained in the possession of her descendants for the next century and a half. In 1909 Sarah's great?great?grandson Harvey H. Pratt, of Scituate, a prominent Boston attorney, owned the old family Bible and was able to confirm the story of her exile at the Cohasset shore.

While here, Mrs. Pulling gave birth to a daughter, born before the arrival of her husband. It is unclear for how long the Pullings remained hidden in the cooper's shop (which must have been a primitive structure at best, lacking even the most rudimentary comforts of a home), but they did remain in hiding for an extended period. It is likely that John Pulling was a hunted man for the duration of the British occupation of Boston.

Captain Pulling's health seems to have declined as a result of the privations suffered during his exile, for, although he resumed revolutionary activities following his return to Boston, he died at the age of fifty, in 1787. Sarah Thaxter Pulling, who had been Pulling's second wife, later resided in Abington until her death at age ninety-nine, in 1846. A great?grandson, Rev. Henry F. Lane, noted, "When I was a lad I distinctly remember hearing from my mother's grandmother . . . that her husband hung the lights from the steeple of the Old North Church."

The story of John and Sarah Pulling's exile at the shore of Cohasset was noted first in a book written in 1909 by Mary C. Crawford and rediscovered in later years by Cohasset's town historian Gilbert S. Tower, whose acquaintances included Sarah Pulling's descendant Harvey Pratt of Scituate.
 
I don't think a felony should be an automatic bar to firearms ownership. I think there should be an avenue of rights restoration open to those who can show they've reformed.
 
I bet our Tulsa county District Attorney Tim Harris, would sure offer him a plea deal if he thought he could get a few dollars from him in fines and court costs.
 
Here are some other people you could rearm.

A List of Murderers Released to Murder Again!

If we had listened to our founding fathers all those men would have been dead and unable to commit more crimes.

On the other hand, if we had listened to our founding fathers all the sub humans that committed lesser crimes (you call them felons but Jefferson called "offenders") now would have simply served their time, got their guns back and moved on with their lives OR re-offended and got locked up again. No probation, no parole, clean and simple. DO THE CRIME-DO THE TIME not DO THE CRIME-DO THE TIME THEN BECOME A SUBHUMAN FOR LIFE.

Face it Warbirds, you're a liberal and you only want "your kind" to have weapons to defend themselves. Like Al Gore, you ALL need to ride bicycles and he needs to Jet around all over to tell you why. LOLOL!

Here's Jefferson on punishments -

Amendment VIII: Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishments
 
I don't see how wanting to keep guns out of the hands of criminals makes me a liberal. There must be some obscure logic there that I can't follow. I wouldn't let a sex offender watch my kids. And I wouldn't let someone that has willfully committed a gun crime convince me that it wasn't their fault.

Your stance towards babying criminals is more liberal than anything I believe.
 
I don't see how wanting to keep guns out of the hands of criminals makes me a liberal. There must be some obscure logic there that I can't follow. I wouldn't let a sex offender watch my kids. And I wouldn't let someone that has willfully committed a gun crime convince me that it wasn't their fault.

Your stance towards babying criminals is more liberal than anything I believe.

Whenever folks around here get mad they start name calling and "liberal" is usually one of the first they throw out.
 
There is a thread here that explains why he is a convicted felon. If I weren't on my phone I would find it for you. Read it.

I found it. There's lots of question marks in that story.

You illegally carry in one of the most anti gun cities in the country and you carry in a manner that enables you to easily get outed? Sorry.....that person loses sympathy from me right there.
 
People for the most part really dont change. Our recidivism rates echo that. You go into prison a murderer, a rapist, a sex offender, an armed robber, and you come out of prison a murderer, a rapist, a sex offender, an armed robber.

Only one thing changes after you go through prison, you become a hardened criminal or you stay the same. Do some people change? Yes its possible, but it doesnt mean we should give a man his gun back after he shot a family dead because he claims to be sane now and regrets his actions.
 
Bitter? I'm not bitter. Warbirds thinks there are a lot of question marks in my story. I suspect the reason for that is, put in my shoes, he'd be inclined to lie or embellish things.

There's no need to embellish anything. I had a CCW (don't remember what it was called back then) in two states. We had 3k cash on us for the remainder of our trip. (Warbirds thinks this is unusual, but our just took a 9000 mile vacation in July and we left with $6k on us in cash - is that a crime?)

20 years ago we had about $3k in cash and our handguns as we traveled. We didn't want to keep it unsecured in a room or in our car and we didn't want someone robbing us so we remained armed. I was a license private investigator. Prior to travelling I looked up the laws on where we were going. At that time carrying concealed was a misdemeanor that carried a $600 fine. The $600 fine was preferable to being robbed of ALL our money or even worse - killed for it, so I chose to carry.

That is the only "crime" I committed. To Warbirds that seems to be a crime worthy of putting my family in jeapardy for the rest of my life by depriving me of my right to protect them as I am instructed to by my God.

It's this kind of thinking that will take all your weapons away. It's not the anti gun advocates, it's the one's of your own ranks who aren't willing to take a stand and even disobey the law if that is what is required to challenge these unconstitutional "laws" that have been forced upon us.

I'm not bitter. Just saddened.
 
Murder, rape, kidnapping, mayhem, torture, these are the types of things that should bar a person from ever being released from prison. And thereby from ever having their rights restored. Ever.

Treason, however, is the subject of the original post. And treason...is a matter of dates.
 
Bitter? I'm not bitter. Warbirds thinks there are a lot of question marks in my story. I suspect the reason for that is, put in my shoes, he'd be inclined to lie or embellish things.

Questions...... definately. When I commit my first felony I will let you know if I lie or embellish anything, as we have our snowball fight in hell.

That is the only "crime" I committed. To Warbirds that seems to be a crime worthy of putting my family in jeapardy for the rest of my life by depriving me of my right to protect them as I am instructed to by my God.

You put your "family in risk" by your actions so point that guilt back at yourself.

That is the only "crime" I committed. To Warbirds that seems to be a crime worthy of putting my family in jeapardy for the rest of my life by depriving me of my right to protect them as I am instructed to by my God.

Can you quote Chapter and Verse where it says, break the law and defend thy family? I don't recall reading that one. I do love it when you use religion and revolutionary war quotes to justify your actions. To me it just shows how weak your story is.

It's this kind of thinking that will take all your weapons away. It's not the anti gun advocates, it's the one's of your own ranks who aren't willing to take a stand and even disobey the law if that is what is required to challenge these unconstitutional "laws" that have been forced upon us.

I'm not bitter. Just saddened.

So are rapists and thieves fighting for our rights as well?

I really laugh at your story where you make such an effort to tell us how elite you were, and then trying to push blame onto your "friend of color". And then procede to tell us that you don't break the law because the guns "belong to your wife".

You are not doing anything for anyone else..... it is very obvious that everything for you is all "ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME". Your attempts to preach your bull rational is weak.
 
20 years ago we had about $3k in cash and our handguns as we traveled. We didn't want to keep it unsecured in a room or in our car and we didn't want someone robbing us so we remained armed. I was a license private investigator. Prior to travelling I looked up the laws on where we were going. At that time carrying concealed was a misdemeanor that carried a $600 fine. The $600 fine was preferable to being robbed of ALL our money or even worse - killed for it, so I chose to carry.

Like I said I'm all for some type of rights restoration process but the fact is you knew it was illegal to carry a concealed handgun (In many states conspiracy to commit a misdemeanor is a felony BTW) and in your own words you "chose to carry" anyway.

You put yourself in that position, man up and accept the consequences
 
1) Can you quote Chapter and Verse where it says, break the law and defend thy family? I don't recall reading that one. I do love it when you use religion and revolutionary war quotes to justify your actions. To me it just shows how weak your story is.

2) So are rapists and thieves fighting for our rights as well?

3) I really laugh at your story where you make such an effort to tell us how elite you were, and then trying to push blame onto your "friend of color". And then procede to tell us that you don't break the law because the guns "belong to your wife".

4) You are not doing anything for anyone else..... it is very obvious that everything for you is all "ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME". Your attempts to preach your bull rational is weak.

Answer to question 1:

Jesus says life is more important than law.

Matt 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”
3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

In case you are uneducated on the reference to David, below is the text where he lies to obtain bread that is illegal for him to eat. At the time the penalty for his eating the bread would have been far greater than the penalty for my carrying in a no carry state.

I Samuel 21: 1Then David came to Nob to Ahimelech the priest; and Ahimelech came trembling to meet David and said to him, “Why are you alone and no one with you?” 2David said to Ahimelech the priest, “The king has commissioned me with a matter and has said to me, ‘Let no one know anything about the matter on which I am sending you and with which I have commissioned you; and I have directed the young men to a certain place.’ 3“Now therefore, what do you have on hand? Give me five loaves of bread, or whatever can be found.” 4The priest answered David and said, “There is no ordinary bread on hand, but there is consecrated bread; if only the young men have kept themselves from women.” 5David answered the priest and said to him, “Surely women have been kept from us as previously when I set out and the vessels of the young men were holy, though it was an ordinary journey; how much more then today will their vessels be holy?” 6So the priest gave him consecrated bread; for there was no bread there but the bread of the Presence which was removed from before the LORD, in order to put hot bread in its place when it was taken away.

Answer to question 2

I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not sure you do either.

Regarding section 3

In my summary I've blamed no one but the corrupt people who put me in there and wouldn't help my wife expose a blackmail attempt by the accuser. Learn to read. I said he apparently blames himself because he didn't stick around after we were released. He repeatedly said he was sorry for getting us in the mess for wanting to buy one of those stupid fake gold chains. I don't blame him. You share some of the blame for accepting unconstitutional laws and defending a legal system that could do something like this to two people for nothing more than doing what the supreme law of our land says is our right, the right to travel among the states and the right to remain armed while doing so to protect our LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
The mere fact that I had this man "of color" as one of my friends and as an employees says something about where I stand regarding race. The fact that you keep bringing it up says something about where you stand.

I don't know what your are referring to about my guns belonging to my wife, unless you are referring to any remarks I've made in allusion to G. Gordon Liddy and his well known explanation for having weapons in his home.

Regarding #4

Posting on here accomplishes nothing for me. I've done a lot for myself with the money I've been forced to use to pay attorneys regarding my situation. The reason I'm posting on here at all is to show what can and will happen to some here who try to follow the law, yet find themselves in situations that could have a bad outcome no matter what they do. That guy with the gold chains could have took that necklace and ran to where his buddies were waiting to rob and kill us. That's the kind of unknown that most of the people on this forum try to be prepared for. But then it's guys like you who see following the law as being more important than the possible protection of life, just like the Pharisees did.


As a footnote: As far as laughing at my story I'm glad you are entertained by the misfortunes of others. And as for that snowball fight in hell, I'm afraid I won't be there to join you. You'll have to find someone else to play.
 
Romans 13 1:5

1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.
 

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