on HK's advice, i began relocating some of my gear. oh, the treasures i found!!! i found not one, but 2 tents { for a toatal of 6 now!} and { festus, you will be interested in this..} i found one of my old service manuals !! it is a air force manual. no, i was not in the air force but we could get manuals from everybody .. it is AFM64-5 Search and Rescue Survival!! there is alot of excellent info there. some of it geared more towards those on a flight crew but all good. i need to go through and sort and get rid of some now useless stuff, but all good!!!!!