Would a solid bullet penetrate better than a JHP or Hydroshock?

[angrypenguin]

The reason I ask is say you end up in a gun fight and the BG takes cover somewhere, would a solid bullet penetrate things better than one that is going to expand like a hollowpoint? Anyone ever though of loading say half and half in a mag for this reason?

 

[angrypenguin]

I'm not necessarily saying cover in a house. I'm talking more if your caught in say a parking lot or something along those lines. You won't be able to safely retreat with a BG shooting at you in some situations.

 

[Retired Grunt]

I carry a mix of FMJ and HP in my magazines. A word of advice make sure what you carry feeds 100% for any/all types of ammo

 

[B2Tall]

Shooting somebody with a FMJ handgun round is akin to stabbing them with a long screwdriver. It's gonna go right through them but unless you hit something critical it won't do much damage. Still, it's better than nothing.

 

[HootmonSccy]

Shooting somebody with a FMJ handgun round is akin to stabbing them with a long screwdriver. It's gonna go right through them but unless you hit something critical it won't do much damage. Still, it's better than nothing.

Yeah, go right through them and then what?? Into the little girl that's behind the bad guy??? The pregnant woman??
My standard carry is all JHP's..
Some people do the mix thing.. IF I was going to do this in a primary mag, I'd stack 5 or 6 JHP's on top, then deeper in the Magazine would be the FMJ's..
In my house I keep a 2nd Magazine next to my pistol. IN that Magazine I have Alternating FMJ/JHP's. The idea is that IF someone was to take cover, I could swap out mags and get the penetration I MIGHT need..

IMHO..

 

[Bighouse Doc]

If you stick with a a good premium HP, why bother to mix at all?

All the major premiums pass the FBI test just fine.

No sense in adding liability to hitting third parties with ball ammo that goes thru the perp and continues on it's merry way.

-Doc

 

[angrypenguin]

If I were to do this it would be 5-6 hydro shocks on top of the FMJ. Or I would carry the FMJ in another mag as I am going to eventually try and find a way to carry more than 1 mag and completely concealed.

 

[Bighouse Doc]

If the BG decides to hide, take that as an opportunity to open the distance between you!

This isn't the army. You have no duty to destroy him behind cover.

Ball has no place in citizen self defense.

-Doc

 

[HootmonSccy]

If the BG decides to hide, take that as an opportunity to open the distance between you!

This isn't the army. You have no duty to destroy him behind cover.

Ball has no place in citizen self defense.

-Doc

In general I totally agree with you Doc; However, I think about the lady in Luby's... Sure I can increase the gap, and I am only responsible for me and my family, But if there is a mad gunman in a crowded place that has shown they are hell bent on assassinating as many as possible... I may just have to stick around... A few FMJ's might come in handy... I don't carry FMJ's as a rule, but I can see the point of having the option...
I have reserved the right for myself in my house... The chances of bystanders is pretty slim, and It's not my 1st option, but available IF needed...

 

[angrypenguin]

I was thinking of a situation where you may be in say a parking lot or somewhere where there is cover but also wide open spaces where if you tried to retreat you would be out in the open.

 

[handgonnetoter]

The reason I ask is say you end up in a gun fight and the BG takes cover somewhere, would a solid bullet penetrate things better than one that is going to expand like a hollowpoint? Anyone ever though of loading say half and half in a mag for this reason?

I load my G19 with Hornady "Critical Defense" 115 grain HP. The two spares I carry are 115 grain ball ammo. Yes, a ball round will penetrate most car doors where most HP rounds will not. I have read the ballistic test and seen the video on this stuff enough to make a believer out of me.:biggrin:

 

[Big_Irish]

Actually if someone is wearing a heavy winter coat a hollow point is a FMJ after impact, and will get filed up by material and not properly expand. If the bad guy is in a car you need those FMJ. I stagger my magazines and plan to double tap anything I shoot at. I keep 1 magazine full of Cor Bon HP's, but It's no the mag I have in first. I would rather be covered both ways and if necessary switch out to that mag, than short change myself by not being prepared. In some kind of armed conflict scenario my magazines will be staggered both rifle and hand guns. Actually a house, especially a brick or block, does offer resistance to hand gun fire. If the bad guy is in a car and you must shoot him you'll be glad you have FMJ. I wouldn't worry about that being sued nonsense, since it won't matter weather you have HP, FMJ, or even loaded your own ammo, if someone wants to sue you, they will do it anyway, just hit what you aim at. I see so much people buy hand guns and don't take them seriously, you should learn to shoot it even better than you can your rifle since it is what you will most likely have on you over 90 percent of the time.

Go to you tube, search bullet penetration tests, there are some video's on hat, some are military and a must see. Also search Todd Jarrett, and practice what he preaches on how to properly shoot a handgun. Let me get you a few important links.

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There has never been 1 person successfully sued till this day using he argument they loaded their own ammo, used FMJ, etc. If I'm wrong show me the proof. That whole Urban Legend was started by that Cop Moss Assoyd, ever how you spell it. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

 

[father-of-three]

The caliber of the gun may factor into this issue as well.

 

[Bighouse Doc]

Here are two (of many) ammo tests involving various barrier materials and premium hollow points.

Take your pick. They cover most civilian barriers.

There is no indication for ball ammo unless you are a soldier worried about laws of warfare!!!

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-Doc

 

[Bighouse Doc]

Actually if someone is wearing a heavy winter coat a hollow point is a FMJ after impact, and will get filed up by material and not properly expand. If the bad guy is in a car you need those FMJ. I stagger my magazines and plan to double tap anything I shoot at. I keep 1 magazine full of Cor Bon HP's, but It's no the mag I have in first. I would rather be covered both ways and if necessary switch out to that mag, than short change myself by not being prepared. In some kind of armed conflict scenario my magazines will be staggered both rifle and hand guns. Actually a house, especially a brick or block, does offer resistance to hand gun fire. If the bad guy is in a car and you must shoot him you'll be glad you have FMJ. I wouldn't worry about that being sued nonsense, since it won't matter weather you have HP, FMJ, or even loaded your own ammo, if someone wants to sue you, they will do it anyway, just hit what you aim at. I see so much people buy hand guns and don't take them seriously, you should learn to shoot it even better than you can your rifle since it is what you will most likely have on you over 90 percent of the time.

Go to you tube, search bullet penetration tests, there are some video's on hat, some are military and a must see. Also search Todd Jarrett, and practice what he preaches on how to properly shoot a handgun. Let me get you a few important links.

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There has never been 1 person successfully sued till this day using he argument they loaded their own ammo, used FMJ, etc. If I'm wrong show me the proof. That whole Urban Legend was started by that Cop Moss Assoyd, ever how you spell it. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Right:wacko:

Your FMJ goes thru the perp and still having a full head of steam perforates a bystander or two.

Tell me again how you won't be sued!

-Doc

 

[Bighouse Doc]

Actually if someone is wearing a heavy winter coat a hollow point is a FMJ after impact, and will get filed up by material and not properly expand. If the bad guy is in a car you need those FMJ......

Again, refer to the ammo tests.

HP ammo plugging with fabric may have been true long ago but modern designs don't suffer this problem.

Modern HP ammo also does very well against auto material.

If you really are at such a high risk as to feel the need to engage autos, barriers, etc, you need a rifle with AP ammo.

99.9+% of self defense shootings involve no such scenarios.

-Doc

 

[Ringo]

If it's a .45 you don't need hollow points, any good 230gr. FMJ round will be good for any situation in question. Any other caliber FMJ round could over penetrate at close distance. When carrying my .357 it's loaded with 125gr. SJHP when in public places with lots of people around, but I always carry a reload of SJSP in 158gr. for all other possible situations.

 

[angrypenguin]

I carry a .40

 

[Ringo]

I carry a .40

Trade it for a .45, less recoil too. :biggrin:

 

[angrypenguin]

I have a M&P compact .40. The recoil is nothing to me, I shoot it very well even with rapid fire so no issues with any of that I was told it would be much more snappy than my Glock 26 but it feels the same to me, maaaaaybe a tad bit more. My issues were finding a .45 that holds at least 10 rounds and was the same size as my 26.