witnessing to a huge fight?

[TheAmericanGreed]

Now I wasnt there but questions started to run through my head.

A big fight broke out in my home town at the local Chuck E. Cheese. Where a group of black people where having their baby first birthday and the other baby mama shows up to fight the other baby mama. Things escalate where there where three on one fights and the manager being pushed around and little kids where there as you could imagine. Now me being in the military and having to solve issues like this you would try to deescalate the situation, by any means necessary but this isnt Iraq and your dealing with civilians and kids. And the "man of the hour" the kids daddy "who was 18" threatened the owner if he called the police he would kill him.

The question is if you, or could you draw your weapon to calm down and control the establishment with the owners permission or even without it
You can watch the video at this link

YouTube - Brawl At Chuck E. Cheese

 

[santa]

NO WAY! i dont beleive you can use your gun in this case either with or with-out the owners permission period. and even if it was legal to do so it would escalate the situation dramatically. another person there could be carrying and a shoot-out could erupt with many casulties. unless there is no choice(meaning my life is in danger) or mabye and that is a BIG MABYE other lives are in immediate danger will i draw out my gun. if you have your gun out and the police arrive guess who they will focus on. you! you might get killed in the process. i would exit the building and call the police myself. if i was threatened by one of those involved it might be the time to use my gun, but state laws differ on 'caslte doctrine or dont retreat laws'. carrying a gun is not the same a being a leo. leo are paid to deal with fights like this, im not. i used to say just my 2 cents worth but there is inflation so i guess its 2 bits(25 cents) worth. anyway welcome to the forum and im sure that you will enjoy it. have a good one.

 

[MissouriShooter]

Your permission to carry a concealed weapon is limited in most states to self defense and in a few others to defense of others who may be at lethal peril.

I can't imagine any case where a gang fight qualifies in either case. Even if your state has no "retreat responsibility" clause you should oughta just beat feet, get you and yours away from the threat and make the 911 call from a safe distance away. When I'm out with my wife and family the first thing I do is make sure I know an escape route...or avoid entirely places where such a "fun" event might happen.

Responding with gunfire is, in any event, the absolute last thing you should consider. The cowboy movie scenario of shooting into the air to "quiet the boys down" will just get the nincompoops even more riled and you'll see more handguns than you ever wanted to. And if you shoot into a crowd, you're almost guaranteed to hit a non-combatant.

Hit the ground running. You are not a cop.

 

[TheAmericanGreed]

Thanks

That was pretty much the type of response I was expecting, just sometimes it scks when you know you can do something that could possibly change the events. But Im very careful when to use simple force and deadly force. I have been carrying for about four years now, compared to some thats nothing but before I make any decision I think about of all the ways I could end up in jail.

Thanks for the responses.

 

[Itstjs]

Absolutley NOT. Would never draw my weapon unless my life or someone elses life was in danger, with some sort of weapon, or some larger group. Life, Limb or eye sight, think of it that way.
If things continued the way they are on the film, and say that was you for what ever reason, I would have just made my way to my car as best as possible, got in, locked doors, and called the Police, if they continued to harass you, beat your vehicle, I would pull away and continue to sit in the area, then call 911.

Secondly, its sad to see something like this happen, especially in a childrens area, a place for kids to have fun, instead some petty differences ruined probably several kids birthdays.

 

[Nightmare45]

Not your fight, you and your familys safety is first priority dial 911 and seek exit from situation.

 

[goldwing1555]

You keep asking all these questions about when you can use your firearm. I don't think you have any bussiness even carring one.

 

[mappow]

I would get out. In a situation like this, the cops may just teargas the whole darn restaurant and sort it out from there. I would rather not be in a building the cops are tear gassing. Get out, call the cops from the safety of your vehicle.

+1 Retreat to the safety away from the chaos. Call 911. That's what LEO's are there for.

As for GOLDWING1555's COMMENT. If you have a history of continued questions concerning SHOOT/DON'T SHOOT. I would take more classes in your State and find out EXACTLY when you're allowed to use deadly force. This example you posted by no means constitutes any force by you. Back away, call 911 and let their situation play out. For all you know this could of been a set up for a robbery. You just can't tell.

 

[Tucker's Mom]

All good advices...Keep it up.

 

[Nightmare45]

Since most of the folks believe the police can and do protect them, tell them to call 911, and have a cup of coffee, unless myself or my family is in danger, let them wait for the police. Not my fight.

 

[Boomboy007]

Come on, Goldwing......

You keep asking all these questions about when you can use your firearm. I don't think you have any bussiness even carring one.

The only way to learn is to ask. Why berate someone who is trying to obtain the knowledge that they need to exercise their second amendment right? Far better to ask now than to shoot unnecessarily later.

 

[Treo]

Whip out your ccw badge, skin that smoke wagon and git to work :biggrin:

 

[NorCalChuck]

The only stupid question is the one you don't ask.

Your permit is for "Self Defense Only" of you if your life is threatened or your immediate family members.

 

[walt629]

not a chance!

Not a chance anyone should go 'cowboy' in a stiuation like that. CYA and your family. Head for the nearest exit with you between the disturbance and your family. If necessary have your family "drag you out by the belt". One of the eldest (your spouse?) heads for the exit first, arm extended behind them latched onto your belt at the rear, leading you out while you maintain situational awareness. Prevents a back jumper! outside dial 911 and report the issue.

Unless I see another gun come out, head for the door. It's not my fight. Way too many exit routes to be cornered.

If it is your friends, time to rethink who your friends are!:sarcastic:

Personally I'd head for the exit with the alarm. You know I've often thought about carrying one of those portable boat horns as a deterent. Wonder how the upstanding folks in the video would react to that?

 

[santa]

You keep asking all these questions about when you can use your firearm. I don't think you have any bussiness even carring one.

It is said that the dumbest question is the one never asked. One of the reasons people join this forum is to learn about the carrying and use of their firearms. Often they learn by asking. It makes me happy when somebody does ask when they can use their gun because it proves that they are thinking. In my opinion the statement that the person asking questions should not be carrying firearms is stretching it. I would rather have a thinking person carrying a gun and the person asking questions wants to learn. However a refresher course on the use of deadly force might be in order. All of us could use that from time to time including myself.

 

[OngoingFreedom]

Stand clear, observe, call it in. It's "be a good witness" time. :dirol:

 

[S&WM&P40]

Now I wasnt there but questions started to run through my head.

A big fight broke out in my home town at the local Chuck E. Cheese. Where a group of black people where having their baby first birthday and the other baby mama shows up to fight the other baby mama. Things escalate where there where three on one fights and the manager being pushed around and little kids where there as you could imagine. Now me being in the military and having to solve issues like this you would try to deescalate the situation, by any means necessary but this isnt Iraq and your dealing with civilians and kids. And the "man of the hour" the kids daddy "who was 18" threatened the owner if he called the police he would kill him.

The question is if you, or could you draw your weapon to calm down and control the establishment with the owners permission or even without it
You can watch the video at this link

YouTube - Brawl At Chuck E. Cheese[/QUO

What would you do after drawing it? Shoot the unarmed man, who will now be yelling at and threatening you? After drawing it, you more then likely will set off a panic and more calls to 911. This time stating "man with a gun". It's not your FIGHT! You really have to shake this whole "sheepdog" mind set it's going to land you in jail or worse get you killed! Never draw your firearm unless your going to use it!

 

[Crazy bird]

Three Ring Circus !!!

Your insane to even think of pulling in that situation , back to the wall and get out then call it in!!!!!!:angry:

 

[Treo]

The only way to learn is to ask. Why berate someone who is trying to obtain the knowledge that they need to exercise their second amendment right? Far better to ask now than to shoot unnecessarily later.

I agree except when the poster has habit of asking leading questions

 

[mkuisi8mo]

Going with the majority of responses...Bug out the nearest door while watching your group & your 6...dial 911 & report the incident...don't unholster & draw a bead to cap unless drawn upon & life in imminent danger. The **** will backfire and you will go to jail if you try to rescue or intervene...Rescuers ALWAYS end up the victims! Think smart...it's not your fight or business unless a bead is drawn on you or yours & you are in eminent perceived life threatening danger :nono:!!!