While I understand where you are coming from, why punish the average gun owner? We did not pass any of the Illinois laws. We were last in the Nation to get CC and only because the Feds forced us. Then we have the strictest ,16 hr classes with qualifying at the range a must. My guess is an Illinois CCW is one of the best trained and should be honored in all states.
Steon said:
Now.... As for my comment in another thread. Don't get me wrong. I'm happy that Illinois finally took a step in the right direction, but it's a BABY step. Your law makers have their heads so far up their fourth point of contact it is ridiculous! You can't carry your weapons on Public Transportation or in a Park? Get real... That's where you need them the most. The Bad Guy isn't going to care if it's against the law for him to carry there, and that's where most of your victimization goes on. They'd think twice if they didn't know which honest Joe or Jane had had a gun and could defend themselves. And the thing I was really getting at in my post, YOUR lawmakers have chosen NOT to reciprocate with ANY state. That's right... NO OTHER STATE can carry in Illinois. I'd be more accepting of Indiana not being able to carry in Illinois if Illinois at least reciprocated with other states that had picture permits and required their permit holders to take Gun Safety/Defense classes, BUT THEY DON'T. Then at least I'd be angry with my own lawmakers for not passing Bill 0555 last year which would have required Indiana take those Gun Safety / Defense classes (Simple NRA classes actually) and put a picture on our Permits... In short, my real thought behind having no other state reciprocate with Illinois is to show Illinois they are being Idiots in not Reciprocating and get them to CHANGE THEIR LAW. AND YOU, should be yelling for them TO CHANGE THE LAW about where you can carry!
I was responding to BCCCW in another posting where he wanted to bring this issue up...
It's not so much a matter of wanting to punish the average gun owner as that I feel that Illinois is doing everything IT can do to punish US, and YOU. By rolling over and letting OUR Lawmakers do what they want, WE let them. I've already written MY lawmakers concerning their dropping the ball on IN Bill 0555. Have you written yours about how they haven't gone far enough with your Gun Laws Yet? And if you found less reciprocity it would furnish more outrage for more people to write more about. That's all...
You should all be saying, "HEY YOU IN SPRINGFIELD.... YOU REPRESENT US! WHY AREN'T YOU LETTING US CARRY WHERE WE NEED TO CARRY MOST? WHY DON'T YOU LET OTHER STATES CARRY HERE AS THEY LET US CARRY THERE?" etc etc etc
It is a matter of Politics. I am yelling at my Lawmakers to give me a permit that will be acceptable to states like Ohio, that do require Training, and a picture on their permit. As it stands, Indiana recognizes ALL other States' Gun Permits that issue permits. Unless something has changed recently the only state that it doesn't recognize is one that doesn't ISSUE a permit, because it allows ALL of it's residents to carry without a permit. I think it's Vermont?
But again, you say, why punish the average gun owner? Why am I punished by California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, New York City, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Washington, West Virginia, and District of Columbia? By my states laws I hold a Permit. They do not honor it. I have done nothing wrong. If they want me to have NRA Gun Class, I would be willing to do so and have the certificate on my person, along with my State Permit, and Drivers License, but they don't make that an option. They just out and out say I can't carry...
Mr. BCCCW thinks this means I want to take my ball and go home. Fine, that's his opinion. But it's actually more like, 'This is my yard, so stay out with your ball since I can't come in your yard with my ball.'
