Will Photocopy Of Permit Help At All?

Mr. Idaho

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I'm new to the CCW world, and a question recently popped into my head.

I was wondering if it would be of any assistance to have a color photocopy of each CCW permit in your glove box in case you lost your wallet (or had it stolen) and then had that 1:50,000 chance that you also get pulled over.

I suppose this is at the discretion of the officer involved, but I was curious if you all thought it would be a good idea to do that.
 
IF my wallet is stolen the first place I will go to is the police station, then call my credit card company. Reporting a robbery, at least you have a record to show to the police if you get caught driving without a DL and your CCW/s. But that is a good idea too to have a cc copy of your CCW though I will think twice about putting it in your glove box...
 
Really? I was just thinking it'd be in the same red folder I keep my registration and insurance in. Why wouldn't I want it in there?

A COPY of the permit is NOT the permit, so it makes no difference. As it's been said you'd be at a PD anyways reporting everything else missing as well as your permit. I wouldn't over think it.
 
snatale42:258019 said:
Don't feed the Trolls

Doesn't seem like a troll-ish question! People new to CCW have questions like that. How about helping out instead of wasting posts complaining!

Maybe he was just telling us he is not hungry?

As for the copy..as most have stated, only the original counts. Having a copy isn't a bad idea, but not necessarily a good one either.
 
Good question. The answer is no, you don't need it. As soon as the police pull you up in their database they will see that you are a CCW license holder. I would recommend that if your license is stolen don't carry your gun concealed until you get a replacement license. Now you fall in the category of not in possession of the license and a photocopy isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Now about the stuff in the glove box: There are criminals that will break into your car, open glove box, console etc, grab your address and garage door opener and gain entry into your home. How many of you don't lock the door between the garage and house? At least 90% of you are guilty of this. This type of crime does happen.

You should never have anything in your vehicle that has your home address on it. Lock that stuff in the trunk or hide in the rear of SUV under carpet etc; be creative. If you get pulled over and the officer asks for your registration and insurance say: "Officer they are in my trunk for security purposes. May I get them for you?"

Thanks,

Frank
Personal Protection and Firearms Instructor
 
I disagree, I've been told in Oklahoma the LEO's have to take extra steps to see if you're a CCW holder; it doesn't just "Pop-up". I know you can't photocopy ours because the license looks more official than the drivers license. We are told to have our license on us anytime we have a weapon, and I always have mine when not just in the car, so I won't be leaving mine in glove box
 
The LEO's in Florida do not have access to who is a Concealed Weapon or Firearm License. The license is issued by the Dept. of Agriculture & Consumer Services. A copy would help as it would have the license #. The LEO's have to call the issuing dept. Having the original is the best option as without it you can be charged, with all the insueing problems that come with that.
 
Wow, Frank, all you are missing is the instructor tag under your screen name and you are all set!

Good question. The answer is no, you don't need it. As soon as the police pull you up in their database they will see that you are a CCW license holder.

Your ability to know with 100% certainty that something is true in every state for every CCW holder is amazing, although incorrect. For example, I used my Washing State ID card to obtain my Washington State CPL. However, I drive on my Wyoming Driver's License. Therefore, cop pulls me over and calls in my Wyoming driver's license number, nothing is returned concerning my CPL status. Several states have no ability to tie CCW status to driver's licenses or name statewide because CCWs are strictly a county matter.

I would recommend that if your license is stolen don't carry your gun concealed until you get a replacement license. Now you fall in the category of not in possession of the license and a photocopy isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

If the cops know about a CCW permit as soon as they look you up in their database, then what is the big concern? So, you recommend giving up a person's ability to defend themselves simply because they don't have the piece of paper required to prove to a police officer at the scene of a traffic stop that they are legal to carry a concealed weapon? Not going to happen. I would rather trust that a judge will dismiss the charges when he finds out I had my wallet stolen the day before I was stopped and I was on my way to take care of everything at the various state and county level government agencies, but that I was authorized to carry a concealed weapon, rather than trust the criminals won't pick that particular day to attack me.

Now about the stuff in the glove box: There are criminals that will break into your car, open glove box, console etc, grab your address and garage door opener and gain entry into your home. How many of you don't lock the door between the garage and house? At least 90% of you are guilty of this. This type of crime does happen.

Trunks of vehicles are just as easy to break into as the glove box is. Probably 99% of vehicles in this country have the registration document located somewhere within the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If you are really that paranoid about it, then don't carry a garage door opener in your vehicle. Use an opener that requires a code on a keypad mounted on the outside door frame of the garage door and spend the extra minute and get the extra exercise to manually open the garage door.

You should never have anything in your vehicle that has your home address on it. Lock that stuff in the trunk or hide in the rear of SUV under carpet etc; be creative. If you get pulled over and the officer asks for your registration and insurance say: "Officer they are in my trunk for security purposes. May I get them for you?"

Congratulations, now you have just given Officer Friendly consent to perform a plain sight search of your trunk or wherever other location the registration is in. So, now, in addition to carrying a firearm on my belt, I am going to tell the officer that I must exit the vehicle in order to obtain the papers I am required to carry in my vehicle? Really?!? "Excuse me, Officer Friendly, but I have to get into my trunk to get my registration out of there....oh, by the way, I am wearing a handgun on my right side in a holster." Ummmm, yeah.

Let's see, if my registration is locked in my glove box, the criminals have to get past two locks to get to it. In the trunk, they only have to get by one lock.


Thanks,

Frank
Personal Protection and Firearms Instructor

Thank you, Frank..... I think I will go somewhere else if I feel the need for further personal protection and firearms instruction.
 
In Wa if you don't have your Cpl on you. Your in trouble.RCW 9.41.050
I lock my door from my garage everyday.

Violating RCW 9.41.050 (1)(b) is only an infraction with a $250 fine. Also, in Washington, open carry is lawful without a CPL. The gun must be unloaded inside a vehicle without a CPL. So, it just depends on how important it is to you to hide your gun, if you lose your CPL until you get it replaced.
 
Having a backup copy of your CCW and DL in case your wallet is lost or stolen is a great idea. The OP was not suggesting that you use the copy in general but simply as proof after a loss or theft has occurred and/or until suitable replacements can be sent to you.

I keep copy's of my DL, HCP and passport in my safe. I also keep a copy in my car in case a loss or theft occurs while I am out and about.
 
Thanks to everyone for the thoughtful answers here. I appreciate all the time it took each of you to chime in.

I guess I see it both ways... without your permit, you are SOL. At least with a copy you can prove you DO have one in that off-chance you get stopped without it.

Yes, I'd absolutely report it and anything else stolen ASAP, and I didn't think about that. I'd have the police report to back me up as well. Perhaps another good use for the copy *is* the police report, so your numbers are all handy, etc. I have a spreadsheet on my computer with all that, but if I was traveling or in another state, it would be harder to access than having a copy with me.

I suppose it is good advise to not have personally identifying information hanging around in your car, but I figure you have to draw the line somewhere. If someone breaks into my car then they'd see my address AND photocopies of three+ state concealed weapons permits... what idiot is gonna come mess with that house? To ANYONE not in the know about CCW, having multiple permits probably seems daunting. I can't put myself in the crook's mindset, but I imagine they'd think you were a cop or soldier or someone in the caliber of peeps they don't like to mess with just for a quick house burglary.

So many ways all of these things can go, I'm really learning that you have to do think out every contingency and try to plan for every angle. Whew!

Thanks again all...
 

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