Why OC??

B2Tall

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Forgive me if this has been asked before but I looked around a bit and couldn't find much on the subject.....

I support OC but my question is, aside from the convenience of not having to worry about a CCed gun being exposed, what benefit is there to OC instead of CC??

I don't plan on doing much (if any) OCing myself. I'm just wondering if I'm missing something.
 
In the end, it's up to each person to decide how they want to carry. OC is not for me (except at work), but just because it isn't doesn't doesn't mean that's the way it should be for everyone.
 
Open carry allows wider choices and greater convenience in many situations. Open carry would allow one to carry a sidearm they may not be able to comfortably conceal. For instance a 4'11" 100lb female may be carrying a Ruger LCP .380 because she can't easily conceal the M&P 40 she prefers.
 
Wider range of choices (both gun & holster)
Convenience (easy off & on)

Faster response & much BIGGER deterant

I would also add;
It's a "right" afforded to us by the Constitution! (Regardless of what some of our liberal dumba$$ legislators believe)
 
Dissuade a threat from engaging in an intended action.

I can definitely see this if there are several OCers that a BG might have to contend with like in a private gun store where all the employees are OCing, but if you're the perp and a see a lone OCer, aren't you going to focus all of your attention on him/her first?? That's certainly what I'd do.

To me it kind of works in the same way I'd approach a defensive situation: If I'm facing multiple guns then it's highly unlikely I'd draw, but if I'm only facing one then I'd feel more confortable drawing. Ditto for the BGs......multiple OCers and they probably keep walking.....a lone OCer and the BG gets in a position of advantage before drawing.

To each his own but I'd rather CC and have an element of surprise on my side.
 
The FAKE argument of "element of surprise" is total bs........ Surprise is NOT a defensive tactic

Criminals are looking for easy victims, not armed ones............

By open carrying you are a deterrent to criminals, NOT a target.
 
I can see many reasons for OC.

And then there is this type of situation.

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Even though CC and OC are considered by our circle to be a Constitutional right, not all of the public agree. Every situation relys on your common sense.
 
I can definitely see this if there are several OCers that a BG might have to contend with like in a private gun store where all the employees are OCing, but if you're the perp and a see a lone OCer, aren't you going to focus all of your attention on him/her first?? That's certainly what I'd do.

To me it kind of works in the same way I'd approach a defensive situation: If I'm facing multiple guns then it's highly unlikely I'd draw, but if I'm only facing one then I'd feel more confortable drawing. Ditto for the BGs......multiple OCers and they probably keep walking.....a lone OCer and the BG gets in a position of advantage before drawing.

To each his own but I'd rather CC and have an element of surprise on my side.

I'm not sure I understand you. You are saying that if you were a crook and you saw a person carrying a gun, your going to attack that person? Doesn't make sense to me.

Most criminals operate on a risk/reward basis. The reward being greater than the risk involved to obtain said reward. Most crooks aren't looking to get into a life and death fight over a wallet or gun.

That said, I would rather be walking down the street OC and have a criminal size me up, see my firearm, and decide the risk is to great. If I am carrying CC I look like any other target.
I've looked all over for documented cases of an OC'er being accosted for OC by someone other than LE and can't find any. I'm sure it's happened but but the evidence isn't' there to make a justified argument against OC.

As far as being in a place that is targeted for armed robbery:
It's a statistical fact that banks with armed guards are targeted the least by robbers. Mmmm. Maybe because the risk/reward equation doesn't balance?

When was the last time you heard of crooks running into a convenience store to commit a robbery while there were police inside? Most crooks don't want an armed confrontation. They want an easy payday. If they see someone armed or multiple someones armed on or in the premises they are most likely going to move on.

But what if they don't case the place and just rush in?

It's my theory that unless your standing gun side to the door, with your arm not blocking your pistol, your not going to be noticed right away. You will probably just get pushed to the ground as they run right by you to get to their prize. Chances are you are in an isle or in a position to take cover and decide whether to engage or not. If you are forced, or decide, to engage would you rather have instant access to your weapon or would you rather have to go through layers of clothing first?

I OC because:
1. It is more comfortable.

2. While OC I can draw, aim , hit in under a second. I can do this while moving and one handed. Try that with CC.

3. I have nothing to hide. I am a gun owner and PROUD!

4. It's a way to educate. I have had some great conversations with people about carry rights with people who were curious about my OC.

5. I believe it's a deterrent to the majority of criminals. (Police not included.)
 
Beau, Amen Brother !!!! I'm with you on this. This so-called arguement they come up with just has never made any since to me. Since criminals are more on the cowardly side in "REAL LIFE" instead of out right tough guys that would be an eagle eye and spot a gun right out of the gate. Most criminals would either wait till the armed citizen was either gone or would just go on down the road and look for easy prey instead of pushin their luck. There are actually news reports and factual evidence as in confessions and other types of witness reports, unlike all these hypothetical bull that I think so many get from TV and the movies. My sister in a Corrections Officer with the Missouri DOC. She has asked some of the inmates about this very thing and ALL of them told her that "if they KNEW or SAW somebody with a gun BEFORE they tried to commit a crime, than they wouldn't be so stupid as to risk it. An unarmed person is alot easier to assault or rob and there are too many easy prey targets out there to HAVE TO risk their lives tryin it with a person they knew was armed." THAT is from the horse's mouth, not from anti-OC bobbleheads spittin out make believe hypothetics and calling that arguement REAL and backed with loads of FACTS and EVIDENCE which it is not.

As far as your reply to [ B2Tall ], I not sayin it is, BUT, doesn't that sound like the type of comment that ( Treo ) has made several times ???????? I maybe wrong, but it seems to be way too similar.
 
As far as your reply to [ B2Tall ], I not sayin it is, BUT, doesn't that sound like the type of comment that ( Treo ) has made several times ???????? I maybe wrong, but it seems to be way too similar.

I don't know. I'l take your word for it. I guess great minds think alike! :)
 
I must admit that I'm on the fence with this one (to reiterate: I support OC, just don't know if it's for me or not).

A lot of good points have been made with regards to OC. I can definitely see the deterrant factor although it could make you a target if the perp is looking to get a gun as well. And yes, superior reaction time is a big plus too. Still, I can't completely shake the "wolf-in-sheep's-clothing" factor that CCing gives you.

On a side bar (and this would really only apply to a random psychopath or maybe somebody with an individual vendetta against you), it would be very easy to murder an OCer and get away with it so long as no witnesses were around to see the actual shooting. Blast the OCer, pull his pistol out and set in on the ground (using something to avoid prints), and tell the cops some simple story about how you were defending yourself. It would all be over in a few seconds and they'd have corroborating evidence.

Anyway....here's another question for you OCers out there: Is there any time when you CC....is there a time when you find it more appropriate or advantageous to CC instead of OC?? I've never OCed before because since the age of 14 I've not lived in a state that permits it.
 
I must admit that I'm on the fence with this one (to reiterate: I support OC, just don't know if it's for me or not).

A lot of good points have been made with regards to OC. I can definitely see the deterrant factor although it could make you a target if the perp is looking to get a gun as well. And yes, superior reaction time is a big plus too. Still, I can't completely shake the "wolf-in-sheep's-clothing" factor that CCing gives you.

On a side bar (and this would really only apply to a random psychopath or maybe somebody with an individual vendetta against you), it would be very easy to murder an OCer and get away with it so long as no witnesses were around to see the actual shooting. Blast the OCer, pull his pistol out and set in on the ground (using something to avoid prints), and tell the cops some simple story about how you were defending yourself. It would all be over in a few seconds and they'd have corroborating evidence.

Anyway....here's another question for you OCers out there: Is there any time when you CC....is there a time when you find it more appropriate or advantageous to CC instead of OC?? I've never OCed before because since the age of 14 I've not lived in a state that permits it.

I see the merits of OC and I see the merits of CC. When FL gives us a choice, my actions will be determined by the situation.

We could come up with scenarios all day long, but in reality they aren't likely to happen. If 1 BG grabs an OC'ers gun, well then, that's one. Next? If a CC'er can't draw in time to do any good, well then, that's one. Next? How many thousands of people OC and/or CC every day, 365 days a year. I'll bet its enough to make incidents like the ones we come up with statistically insignificant.

OC or CC...it doesn't really matter. Just carry!
 
IWe could come up with scenarios all day long, but in reality they aren't likely to happen.

I agree that my scenario is a bit far-fetched but I do have someone with a personal vendetta against me (my GF's ex-husband). This person has made threats against me and vandalized my car in the past. Quite a few people have heard me say that if I ever saw him again I'd make sure he choked down some of his own teeth, so he could conceivably do something to me and use self-defense as an excuse. Not likely but you never know. He does have a criminal history of violence.

Your other points concerning OC/CC are valid as well.
 
Anyway....here's another question for you OCers out there: Is there any time when you CC....is there a time when you find it more appropriate or advantageous to CC instead of OC?? I've never OCed before because since the age of 14 I've not lived in a state that permits it.

Yes. When open carry might cause someone I care about to be uncomfortable. For example, my wife has an anti-gun friend. My wife watched her daughter a couple years ago while I took her friend to a black Friday sale at 4:00am to get her daughter a game system. I conceal carry in a situation such as that.

I've also only been married a year, and while most of my wife's family knows about my views of self-defense, when visiting new family members, I conceal carry at their house or if we are meeting them in public. I won't hide my guns in my house though.

I also conceal carry when I enter school property to pick up/drop off my daughter at school, even though I am not required to.

Also, my wife works as a job coach for challenged persons. For example, she would watch a client who worked at Burger King. I went to have lunch with her while she was on the job and I concealed there because of the employment situation, even though not in the employment situation I would open carry there.
 
in an open carry state, does your weapon need to be holstered, or could you carry it in the high ready position? If so, what do you think the reaction of other people (including other armed citizens) would be?
 
in an open carry state, does your weapon need to be holstered, or could you carry it in the high ready position? If so, what do you think the reaction of other people (including other armed citizens) would be?

I would say, IMHO, that carrying a handgun any other way except in a holster or pocket would be considered Brandishing. But, I'm not a lawyer.
 
I would say, IMHO, that carrying a handgun any other way except in a holster or pocket would be considered Brandishing. But, I'm not a lawyer.

If that is correct, it doesn't make sense to me. Once a state has gotten over the "people don't want to see people with guns" phobia, it seems dumb to prohibit law abiding citizens from carrying a gun in a ready position. Otherwise it seems open carry is just for show rather than practicality.
 
If that is correct, it doesn't make sense to me. Once a state has gotten over the "people don't want to see people with guns" phobia, it seems dumb to prohibit law abiding citizens from carrying a gun in a ready position. Otherwise it seems open carry is just for show rather than practicality.

Therefore, concealed carry would be even less "practical."
 

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