Why duty to inform sucks at times

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This is one reason why I hate states that mandate I must inform. When you have jack booted thugs that won't allow you to inform, then arrest you for not doing so, what are you supposed to do?

Is that cop going to be arrested for threatening murder? Doubt it.
 
Firefighterchen said:
That's the infamous officer harless who was on paid leave until he made a settlement with the state...

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Ah, I thought this particular brand of jack boot thuggery seemed familiar. I just went back to the article and realized it had been written in Jul 2011.

Sorry for airing old laundry. Amazing, it stinks just as bad.
 
The must notify/duty to inform "laws" always suck... not just sometimes. Why do FELONS have more "Rights" in that situation than CCW Holders?
 
Axeanda45 said:
The must notify/duty to inform "laws" always suck... not just sometimes. Why do FELONS have more "Rights" in that situation than CCW Holders?
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Yep. There is not a court in the US (yet) that would rule that a must notify law does not infringe upon the 5th Amendment right of the person illegally carrying a firearm to remain silent. We have high crime in the US because crime DOES pay in the US.... a lot more than being a law abiding citizen does.
 
Ive seen the video, and others with this particular Officer, although I agree duty to inform is sometimes flawed, you will not always receive a response from LEOs like the one seen in this video. My experience is often an "I dont care if hes carrying" attitude while others spark a great conversation. This officer had an attitude problem, and from what Ive read on other sources this Officer had quite the record for being a bit too hostile with the public.
 
You have good employees and bad employees in every profession in the world. This just happened to be a bad one. I am not a fan of law enforcement. But, if they treat me with respect I treat them the same.

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Firefighterchen said:
...very few officers deserve respect.
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Guess what, you do not deserve respect either. Damn nerve painting with your broad brush, when you do not even know what the paint and the canvas is all about. God help you on that day that maybe you need their help or someone in your family needs their help and they don't respect you either. You got my dander up and it gets tiring reading these insults. So a police offer made you cry because he took away your binky. On that day probably 99.99% of police calls were handled with dignity and respect by the police officer and the person he interracted with and in some cases, where their lives were at risk and you sit at your computer just trying to find that little binky that he took away from you. Sorry I am taking my anger out on you in this reply but this happens too often on this forum and I wanted to reply. I seriously doubt if the majority of forum members agree with your comment--they are the silent majority and you are not. You can reply but it will only be to the others who want to shake your hand and not mine--no more replies from me on this now that I have said my peace with no intention of defending what I believe when it comes to the police that I know that I believe represent the majority of police throughout this country.
I will say, however, that this country has turned into a cesspool of sociopaths like our dear godking and his thugs and the rank and file police officer can only follow the rule of law as determined by his commanders--which eventually get you to the federal police force and the alphabet federal police (FBI, ATF etal) run by this disgusting and out of control federal government. In this kind of situation I will not be a sheep and someone will go to hell before I go to heaven.
 
Itstjs said:
although I agree duty to inform is sometimes flawed
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A duty to inform is ALWAYS flawed. Show us one reason how, in reality, a law requiring a person lawfully carrying a firearm to inform a police officer of that lawfully carried firearm, which is in it's safest condition not being touched by anyone can possibly do anything to actually make anyone safer. If you really want to make someone safer by such a law, then make the law also prohibit the officer from handling the firearm once they are informed.
 
kelcarry said:
Guess what, you do not deserve respect either.

Exactly, I don't deserve respect from anyone that I did not help.

Damn nerve painting with your broad brush, when you do not even know what the paint and the canvas is all about.

You paint with your thin blue brush, I'll paint with my "broad brush" that you clearly have no idea where I got it from.

God help you on that day that maybe you need their help or someone in your family needs their help and they don't respect you either.

I will never need a police officer, I always need God. As for your comment about my family, you must have cops in your family, or maybe your husband is a cop...I all ready know only a few officers will treat me and mine with respect, hence why only a few will ever receive respect from me or my family.

You got my dander up and it gets tiring reading these insults.

You mean I got your panties in a bunch. It's amazing you are getting tiring of these insults, maybe there is a REASON there are so many insults towards police? Maybe it's justified?

So a police offer made you cry because he took away your binky. On that day probably 99.99% of police calls were handled with dignity and respect by the police officer and the person he interracted with and in some cases, where their lives were at risk and you sit at your computer just trying to find that little binky that he took away from you.

“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” I have actually posted my experiences with police, both personal and professional on this forum before. But you can go ahead and make up your stories, your fantasies mean less than whale **** to me.

Sorry I am taking my anger out on you in this reply but this happens too often on this forum and I wanted to reply.

You give yourself too much credit and think I care enough to accept your "apology."

I seriously doubt if the majority of forum members agree with your comment--they are the silent majority and you are not.

Well...only YOU responded but 5 people liked my post. The silent majority IS on my side, and you clearly understand why at the end of your ridiculous message.

You can reply but it will only be to the others who want to shake your hand and not mine--no more replies from me on this now that I have said my peace with no intention of defending what I believe when it comes to the police that I know that I believe represent the majority of police throughout this country.

Good for you. I look forward to being the last word.

I will say, however, that this country has turned into a cesspool of sociopaths like our dear godking and his thugs and the rank and file police officer can only follow the rule of law as determined by his commanders--which eventually get you to the federal police force and the alphabet federal police (FBI, ATF etal) run by this disgusting and out of control federal government. In this kind of situation I will not be a sheep and someone will go to hell before I go to heaven.
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So you do think this country has become a cesspool, lead by a disgusting out of control government led by godking and and his thugs. And the poor little officers HAVE to follow unconstitutional and unjust laws...riiiiiiiiight. Let me guess, you also think the Nazi German soldiers got a free ride too killing millions of Jews just because of their orders? How about Taliban terrorist just following their orders? Sorry bub, any cop who doesn't stand up for what's right, just like Harless's partner, is a BAD GUY right along with Harless.

The rest of my reply is in blue above, since it seems that's the color of badges you fluff, and the color red might send you into a rage being it's the colors of the FD.
 
Firefighterchen said:
So you do think this country has become a cesspool, lead by a disgusting out of control government led by godking and and his thugs. And the poor little officers HAVE to follow unconstitutional and unjust laws...riiiiiiiiight. Let me guess, you also think the Nazi German soldiers got a free ride too killing millions of Jews just because of their orders? How about Taliban terrorist just following their orders? Sorry bub, any cop who doesn't stand up for what's right, just like Harless's partner, is a BAD GUY right along with Harless.

The rest of my reply is in blue above, since it seems that's the color of badges you fluff, and the color red might send you into a rage being it's the colors of the FD.
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Is there a reason you responded in a thin blue font? (sorry, it was pitched to me, I had to hit that ball) :)
 
kelcarry said:
God help you on that day that maybe you need their help or someone in your family needs their help and they don't respect you either.
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Need their "help" doing WHAT?

Memorize:
  • Police have no legal duty to protect individuals.
  • Police have no legal liability when they fail to protect individuals.
  • Police have almost no physical ability to protect individuals.
Police don't protect individuals. They draw chalk outlines around individuals who don't protect themselves.

If you're not willing and able to protect YOURSELF, you're just not going to get protected AT ALL.

Anybody who tells you different is a liar.
 
Deanimator said:
Need their "help" doing WHAT?

Memorize:
  • Police have no legal duty to protect individuals.
  • Police have no legal liability when they fail to protect individuals.
  • Police have almost no physical ability to protect individuals.
Police don't protect individuals. They draw chalk outlines around individuals who don't protect themselves.

If you're not willing and able to protect YOURSELF, you're just not going to get protected AT ALL.

Anybody who tells you different is a liar.
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And in far too many cases, the people one should be prepared to defend themselves against are wearing badges. That is why respect for cops is waning and contempt for them is on the rise. Some folks will just never see it. I pray for them that they are never forced at the point of a government gun or baton or taser to see it.

Blues
 
BluesStringer said:
And in far too many cases, the people one should be prepared to defend themselves against are wearing badges. That is why respect for cops is waning and contempt for them is on the rise. Some folks will just never see it. I pray for them that they are never forced at the point of a government gun or baton or taser to see it.

Blues
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I agree with you in some Counties/States. I'm so blessed to be in one that is pro-civilian gun ownership and protecting ones Rights. Sheriffs Dept. here fully supports and contributes to the well being of Armed Citizens. At dinner one night my Sheriff stated "When seconds count, my deputies are minutes away" "Arm yourself, protect your family and my deputies will ALWAYS back you up"
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I would HIGLY suggest to ALL, get to know your local LEO's and sheriff's. If they not worth a dam, do everything you can to get them out of office. If they are good, do everything you can to keep them in the positions. Of course that means YOU have to get involved. Sadly to say, most don't want to be bothered but will harp on the travesties of their elected officials.
 
mappow said:
I agree with you in some Counties/States. I'm so blessed to be in one that is pro-civilian gun ownership and protecting ones Rights. Sheriffs Dept. here fully supports and contributes to the well being of Armed Citizens. At dinner one night my Sheriff stated "When seconds count, my deputies are minutes away" "Arm yourself, protect your family and my deputies will ALWAYS back you up"
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I would HIGLY suggest to ALL, get to know your local LEO's and sheriff's. If they not worth a dam, do everything you can to get them out of office. If they are good, do everything you can to keep them in the positions. Of course that means YOU have to get involved. Sadly to say, most don't want to be bothered but will harp on the travesties of their elected officials.
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I totally agree with your point, but what you suggest about getting to know your local LE isn't always possible even when you are very involved with them in some capacity or another. For instance, in April of 2011 we had a devastating tornado swarm-storm destroy thousands of homes in a 35,000 square mile area across three or four states. My county was in the thick of it, so I called the Salvation Army (where I used to work and have volunteered with many times in the past) and asked if they knew where the most help was needed closest to my home. They told me that my Sheriff had put in a request that volunteers contact him directly because he was directing the relief effort, so I called him. He asked me to get down to his office as soon as possible, and as it worked out, I ended up working side-by-side with him for the better part of the next three weeks. Great and affable guy. Hardest worker I ever saw. Seemed to never go home, never complained, great leader and organizer - in short, I felt he was the best sheriff this county could ever have after that.

Then our new set of gun laws started getting some press coverage, part of which was a clarification about open carry that would make it much harder for cops to use OC as an excuse to harass someone who wasn't otherwise breaking the law. Actually, if the cops follow the new law, it would make it impossible to harass OC'ers, but whatever, as the bill was being debated, Sheriff Blakely started doing pressers actively opposing the new, less restrictive for gun owners law, and actually put in writing in several policy statements that he didn't care what the new law said, if he or his deputies see someone walking around with a weapon in open view, he was going to impound it and make them go to court to get it back. He was one of only a handful of cops who stated their opposition to the new law in public, and by far the most vociferous opponent of it.

Needless to say, my opinion of the man has changed. Any cop who says, "I don't care what the law says..." and then says he'll work against the law if it's enacted doesn't deserve to be a cop at all, right? But here's the deal; all those people that he worked his fingers to the bone to help during the 'nado storm of 2011 are going to be far more influential in upcoming elections than the minuscule percentage of us who are taking advantage of the new OC law(s). There is no way that they're going to care that Blakely has said outright that he would violate the law (and my rights) by stealing my legally carried property from me and forcing me to go to greater expense than the gun is worth to get it back after he transported, fed and cared for their livestock on his own farm while they were rebuilding (or any number of other great examples of his seeming selflessness during the relief effort).

The only point I'm making is that your point is perfectly valid, sound and prudent - get to know your sheriffs. It's just that it's easier said than done when an issue that shows his true colors only comes up every 100 years or so. Great idea, it's just hard to know when you're "there" where you can trust the impressions you have of them.

So do you live near Spartanburg where Sheriff Chuck Wright is? If that's who you're referring to, he's very unusual. But if that's not who you're referring to, it would be nearly unheard of to have two such conscientious sheriffs in one state! Consider yourself fortunate no matter who you were referring to though. Just make sure your trust in him continues to be proven worthy by him as long as he holds the office. They can turn on a dime, and they're very difficult to oust once they're well-established. Blakely has been our sheriff for the whole 21 years we've been here. Not sure how long before that he was seated.

Blues
 
wolf_fire said:
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This is one reason why I hate states that mandate I must inform. When you have jack booted thugs that won't allow you to inform, then arrest you for not doing so, what are you supposed to do?

Is that cop going to be arrested for threatening murder? Doubt it.
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Duty to inform doesn't just suck at times, it sucks at ALL times.
 
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