Why does Washington not have reciprocity with Oregon?

Nick Burkhardt said:
Yes I have. Oregon, while being an overall free state, will not honor any other states permits because they "want control over the educational requirements for who are issued a CHL".
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That's right... we wouldn't want those untrained barbarians from Washington pouring over the border and shooting Oregon full of holes! The blood would just run in the streets if they allowed that!

(that was sarcasm)
 
Pir8fan said:
Here in NC we recognize everyone's permit regardless of whether or not they recognize ours.
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and there are actually "pro-gun" and "pro-2A" people that will have heartburn over that. "Why should we recognize state X permit when they don't recognize ours?" And my reply is, "Why should you punish the resident of state X who has little ability to change state X laws. It's not the individual person's fault that state Y permit is not recognized in state X".
 
Pir8fan said:
Here in NC we recognize everyone's permit regardless of whether or not they recognize ours.
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It would be nice if all states adopted NC's CCL reciprocity laws which would make traveling across this country much less confusing and safer. I don't imagine that the 50 state legislatures could ever come together and agree on a mutual reciprocity as NC's has already done! I know Washington has some left leaning politicians that would shread the 2nd Amendment if they had their way so making it easier to carry is not their goal in life!
 
The politicians think we are just going to cross state lines and start shooting up the place. They don't stop to realize all the hoops we have to jump through to get the license in the first place. I'm in Mass and there are mandatory prison terms for gun possession, but I never see anyone go away for it. I don't think it's ever enforced.
Reciprocity was voted on and it did not pass by 3 votes, they had 57 and needed 60. It was a sad day.
 
Nick Burkhardt said:
Yes I have. Oregon, while being an overall free state, will not honor any other states permits because they "want control over the educational requirements for who are issued a CHL". This is a poor argument because many states have greater requirements than Oregon, so it comes down to "We want the money and/or the final say."

Washington says "since Oregon does not accept our license, we won't accept theirs"
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Well you have a point, No required class for Washington CPL as opposed to a attending a approved class, showing proof of that class when applying for a Oregon CHL. You are also probably right about the money... I imagine there is quite a cash flow for CPL's,CHL's, CFP's and what ever they call their licenses per states... No wonder the states can't agree on reciprocity they can't agree on what to call their licenses! :)
 
The simple fact is that the politicians want as few guns in the state as possible. And as few carried in the state as possible. And so they go out of their way to make it difficult. It doesn't matter what you and I want.

Oregon's law states that they will honor any state whose handgun license procedure is at least as stringent as ours. Many states require a basic safety class, and several require you to demonstrate proficiency. Yet Oregon recognizes NO other state's handgun license. None. Nada. Because the others are somehow less? Nope, because Oregon's legislature is run by anti-2A scumbags.
 
iKarith said:
The simple fact is that the politicians want as few guns in the state as possible. And as few carried in the state as possible. And so they go out of their way to make it difficult. It doesn't matter what you and I want.

Oregon's law states that they will honor any state whose handgun license procedure is at least as stringent as ours. Many states require a basic safety class, and several require you to demonstrate proficiency. Yet Oregon recognizes NO other state's handgun license. None. Nada. Because the others are somehow less? Nope, because Oregon's legislature is run by anti-2A scumbags.
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Besides the reciprocity issue, Oregon is one of the best places to own firearms. SBR, SBS, suppressor, full auto, open carry, shall issue, all legal in Oregon. Not sure where the anti 2A comes in...
 
iKarith said:
Where else? Portland and Eugene. :)
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I lived in Portland for 17 years, and Eugene for 3 years. Portland I can understand, Eugene was an awesome firearms friendly city for me.

I now live in Washington...where the permission infringement is much less of an infringement than Oregon's training requirement...but I can't own half the firearms my family and friends do back in Oregon.
 
NavyLCDR said:
Having to pay for government approved training, pay for a government background check, and pay for the government's permission to bear arms is pretty anti-2A to me....
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I agree the permit system is anti 2A...in both Washington and Oregon...but Oregon has much more freedom of firearm ownership than Washington. My family and friends can't bring their firearms to my home to go shooting because they are illegal here (mostly sbr).

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The Mass attorney general has a list of approved firearms we can purchase. There are a lot of guns we can't buy. Pretty sad. We are a may issue state, no guarantees.
 
I finally had my Oregon CHL appointment today.

Took my Oregon/Utah class way back in April but was told by the Sheriff's Department that they would not accept any application until the actual appointment time. OK when is the next appointment? 20 weeks! So I have been patiently waiting for nearly five months. Got my Utah permit over 9 weeks ago and have been carrying in Washington, especially Spokane, but have to disarm at the border every time. Heck if I go through Portland I have to take all of the rounds out of my magazines!

So I finally had my Oregon CHL appointment today. Course certificate, 2 picture IDs, birth certificate, and application with "two character references". Got finger printed, picture taken and wrote a check. Because of my unique name my 4473 checks come back clean in 30 seconds so I was hoping to get my CHL in hand within 30 days. The young lady tells me that they usually run 45 days, but because they have been so busy expect to wait 90 days. WTH? ORS 166.292 requires that Sheriff offices process your application in 45 days. They already cheated by not accepting it for 140 days. My wife said that she could have had a baby in the time it takes to get a CHL here in our county!
 
gcowboym said:
Well you have a point, No required class for Washington CPL as opposed to a attending a approved class, showing proof of that class when applying for a Oregon CHL. You are also probably right about the money... I imagine there is quite a cash flow for CPL's,CHL's, CFP's and what ever they call their licenses per states... No wonder the states can't agree on reciprocity they can't agree on what to call their licenses! :)
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Yeah, but the "required class" can be done in your underwear at your computer. You read some basic common sense stuff that anyone would know before buying a gun in the first place (at least we'd hope) and the four "rules", and the most basic elements of Oregon gun laws. It takes about 20 minutes to read the material. And about five minutes to answer the 20 true/false questions. And then you've taken a basic pistol safety course. Print out your certificate from the website and submit it with your application for an Oregon CHL.

It's a lame extra hoop to jump, and all it guarantees is that you have an IQ over 90 and an extra $30-40 to spend.

You could take more. You should take more. But that satisfies Oregon's "education" requirement.
 
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