Who says an Aircraft Carrier wont rock and roll !!!

opsspec1991

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When I was on the aircraft carrier USS Ranger we went through a big storm and it looked just like this, we were taking spray up on vulture’s row, our escorts would bob up & down so bad in the waves that we would lose sight of them. Almost lost a F-14 fighter over the side when it broke its tie down chains and was slipping towards the side of the ship when a tow truck driver drove it under its side to stop it from going over. I can't believe they left that helo out on the bow.

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Damage to the catwalks, and the bow digging in.

USS Saratoga CVA-60 mid-Atlantic, Dec 67.

Didn't loose any aircraft, but the weather sponsons were clean off, lost about 5 vehicles including pickup trucks and a couple of vans. Fantail and the 08 deck and above where the only weather decks that weren't secured. The F4's are position to scramble in case a Russian Bear Bomber came within 200 miles, which did happen a number of times in the Med and Atlantic.

Some of our escorts were up to 11 miles off-station. I would have hated to be a tin can sailor in that storm. I did spend time on a destroyer, but saw nothing like this. I was on the 010 deck and lost sight of a destroyer, next time I saw it, it had been turn 90 - 120 degrees off course and was struggling to turn back into the seas.

Sadly the Ranger is being towed to Brownsville TX to meet the same fate as the Forrestal, Saratoga and Constellation.

Safe to say that someone with that helicopter crew/squadron had ticked off the Air Boss.
 
I have never been on a carrier but I did have the misfortune of being on a troop ship in the early 50s going to Korea. We were in heavy seas for the whole trip and I was so sick I thought I would die. I got even sicker and wanted to die to get out of that misery but managed to survive. I was assigned duty as a guard on a port side life boat station watching to see if anyone might fall overboard. The ship did rock and on many occasions I had to look up to see the tops of the waves. If I never get on another ship, it will be too soon! Glad I was Army!
 
My first time at sea was on a destroyer and we hit a storm and heavy seas off the coast of NC. While standing a helm watch on the bridge I saw the inclinometer go to just over 40 degrees.

Never got sea sick, but the sound and smell of others blowing groceries was a challenge to not join in. Took the advise of my dad who had been the XO on a destroyer escort to keep something in your stomach.

We pulled back into port after a week of that, and I had developed 'sea legs', but couldn't walk a straight line down the pier once we got to solid ground.
 
Dad saw water make it as far back as Turret A on the Missouri. But the ship did not rock and roll. It just plowed straight thru a wave no matter how big. His second ship just went to the top of any waves. And got pushed along by them. It was not designed to go thru any waves. 12 knots full bore is not going to go thru a wave. Or out run one.
 
Onboard FF-1052, USS KNOX, we tried to skirt a typhoon as we were headed to Japan from the PI. Fin stabilizers went out and for the next three days we paid hell on the high water. I couldn’t go in the heads to shower due to the stench. I can watch someone blow chow, not a problem. Smell that chow makes me gag. Walked the seam tween the bulkhead and deck on many a transit fore and aft. My only saving grace was the emergency shower and deep sink in the Helo hanger. My space as was the Torpedo mag forward.
Really surprised we didn’t lose our mack or 5-54. Had a newly arrived JG that hurt his back during seal ops. He was reassigned to the ship. He even was blowing off the flying bridge. No one laughed or gave him a hard time. The role indicator in the sonar shack showed “Repent ye Sinners” on more than a few occasions.
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We did plane guard for the Sheety-Kitty more than a few times as well, Un-Rep too. Both line and vert.
 
When we were in the storm in the mid-Atlantic (USS Saratoga) in 67, we were making 5 knots headway, yet the props were making turns for 12 knots. We were loosing 7 knots to wind and seas.
 
Speaking of the Navy, and I guess military in general, I saw this the other day and it pisses me off. What the hell is happening to our military and country?

The Navy - Then and Now
Then - In the "good old days", if a sailor smoked, he had an ashtray on your desk.
Now - If a sailor smokes he/she is sent outside and treated like a leper.

Then - Mail took weeks to arrive aboard the ship.
Now - Every time the ship nears land, there's a mob topside seeing if their cell phone works.
Then - If a sailor left the ship it was in Blues or Whites.
Now - The only time they wear Blues or Whites is for ceremonies.

Then - Sailors wore bellbottoms everywhere on the ship.
Now - Bellbottoms are gone from the Navy. 14 year-old girls wear them every where.

Then - Sailors wore a "dixie cup" all day, with every uniform.
Now - It's not required and they have a choice of various headwear.

Then - If you said "damn," people knew you were annoyed and avoided you.
Now - If you say "damn" you'd better be talking about a hydroelectric plant.

Then - The Ships Yeoman had a typewriter on his desk for doing daily reports.
Now - Everyone has a computer with Internet access -- and they wonder why no work gets done.

Then - We painted pictures of pretty girls on airplanes to remind us of home.
Now - We put the real thing in the cockpit.

Then - Your girlfriend was at home, praying you would return alive.
Now - She is on the same ship, praying that your condom worked.

Then - If a sailor got drunk off duty, his buddies would take him back to the ship to sleep it off.
Now - If a sailor gets drunk off duty, they slap him in rehab and ruin his career.

Then - Canteens were made out of steel and you could heat coffee or hot chocolate in them.
Now - Canteens are made of plastic. You can't heat them because they'll melt, and anything inside always tastes like plastic.

Then - The top officers were professional sailors first. They commanded respect.
Now - The top officers are politicians first They beg not to be given a wedgie.

Then - Enemy intelligence was collected and analyzed.
Now - The crew's urine is collected and analyzed.

Then - If a sailor didn't act correctly and obey the rules, he'd be put you on extra duty until he squared away.
Now - If he doesn't behave a paper trail is started that follows him forever.

Then - Medals were awarded to heroes who saved lives at the risk of their own.
Now - Medals are awarded to people who show up for work most of the time.

Then - The crew slept in a barracks, like a soldier.
Now - They sleep in a co-ed dormitory, like a college kid.

Then - Sailors ate in a Mess Hall. The food was free and they could generally eat their fill.
Now - They dine in a Dining Facility. Every item, even a slice of bread or pat of butter costs, and they can only have one serving.

Then - We defeated powerful countries like Germany and Japan -- at the same time.
Now - We don't even try to beat Iraq.

Then - If a sailor wanted to relax, he went to the Rec Center, played some pool, smoked, drank beer, and told sea stories.
Now -They can go to a local Community Center and play pool -- maybe.

Then - If a sailor wanted a couple beers and some social conversation he could go to the EM club. Officers to the "O" Club. A glass of beer was a quarter.
Now - The beer will cost two bucks and someone will be watching to see how much he drinks.

Then - The Exchange had bargains for sailors who didn't make much money.
Now - You can get better merchandise for a better price at Wal-Mart and K-Mart.

Then - If an Admiral wanted to make a presentation, he scribbled down some notes and a PN or YN spent an hour or so, preparing the formal document.
Now - The Admiral has his entire staff spend days preparing a complicated computer Power Point presentation.

Then - We called the enemy things like "Commie Bastards" and "Dirty Reds" because we didn't like them.
Now - We call the enemy things like, "Opposing Forces", and "Aggressors", so that we won't offend them.

Then - We declared victory when the enemy was dead and all his things were broken.
Now - We declare victory when the enemy says he's sorry and won't do it again.

Then - A commander would put his butt on the line to protect his people.
Now - A commander will put his people on the line to protect his butt.

 
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Howdy XD40,

Speaking of the Navy, and I guess military in general, I saw this the other day and it pisses me off. What the hell is happening to our military and country?

The Navy - Then and Now
Then - In the "good old days", if a sailor smoked, he had an ashtray on your desk.
Now - If a sailor smokes he/she is sent outside and treated like a leper.

Then - Mail took weeks to arrive aboard the ship.
Now - Every time the ship nears land, there's a mob topside seeing if their cell phone works.
Then - If a sailor left the ship it was in Blues or Whites.
Now - The only time they wear Blues or Whites is for ceremonies.

Then - Sailors wore bellbottoms everywhere on the ship.
Now - Bellbottoms are gone from the Navy. 14 year-old girls wear them every where.

Then - Sailors wore a "dixie cup" all day, with every uniform.
Now - It's not required and they have a choice of various headwear.

Then - If you said "damn," people knew you were annoyed and avoided you.
Now - If you say "damn" you'd better be talking about a hydroelectric plant.

Then - The Ships Yeoman had a typewriter on his desk for doing daily reports.
Now - Everyone has a computer with Internet access -- and they wonder why no work gets done.

Then - We painted pictures of pretty girls on airplanes to remind us of home.
Now - We put the real thing in the cockpit.

Then - Your girlfriend was at home, praying you would return alive.
Now - She is on the same ship, praying that your condom worked.

Then - If a sailor got drunk off duty, his buddies would take him back to the ship to sleep it off.
Now - If a sailor gets drunk off duty, they slap him in rehab and ruin his career.

Then - Canteens were made out of steel and you could heat coffee or hot chocolate in them.
Now - Canteens are made of plastic. You can't heat them because they'll melt, and anything inside always tastes like plastic.

Then - The top officers were professional sailors first. They commanded respect.
Now - The top officers are politicians first They beg not to be given a wedgie.

Then - Enemy intelligence was collected and analyzed.
Now - The crew's urine is collected and analyzed.

Then - If a sailor didn't act correctly and obey the rules, he'd be put you on extra duty until he squared away.
Now - If he doesn't behave a paper trail is started that follows him forever.

Then - Medals were awarded to heroes who saved lives at the risk of their own.
Now - Medals are awarded to people who show up for work most of the time.

Then - The crew slept in a barracks, like a soldier.
Now - They sleep in a co-ed dormitory, like a college kid.

Then - Sailors ate in a Mess Hall. The food was free and they could generally eat their fill.
Now - They dine in a Dining Facility. Every item, even a slice of bread or pat of butter costs, and they can only have one serving.

Then - We defeated powerful countries like Germany and Japan -- at the same time.
Now - We don't even try to beat Iraq.

Then - If a sailor wanted to relax, he went to the Rec Center, played some pool, smoked, drank beer, and told sea stories.
Now -They can go to a local Community Center and play pool -- maybe.

Then - If a sailor wanted a couple beers and some social conversation he could go to the EM club. Officers to the "O" Club. A glass of beer was a quarter.
Now - The beer will cost two bucks and someone will be watching to see how much he drinks.

Then - The Exchange had bargains for sailors who didn't make much money.
Now - You can get better merchandise for a better price at Wal-Mart and K-Mart.

Then - If an Admiral wanted to make a presentation, he scribbled down some notes and a PN or YN spent an hour or so, preparing the formal document.
Now - The Admiral has his entire staff spend days preparing a complicated computer Power Point presentation.

Then - We called the enemy things like "Commie Bastards" and "Dirty Reds" because we didn't like them.
Now - We call the enemy things like, "Opposing Forces", and "Aggressors", so that we won't offend them.

Then - We declared victory when the enemy was dead and all his things were broken.
Now - We declare victory when the enemy says he's sorry and won't do it again.

Then - A commander would put his butt on the line to protect his people.
Now - A commander will put his people on the line to protect his butt.


What happened to the Country and Military?

Simple:

Then: Everyone drove an American made car the was built by Union workers.

Now: Too many people drive a foreign brand made by non-Union workers.

Then: You owned a RCA TV built in the USA by Tom, Bob and Mary who were members of the Local Union.

Now: You own a TV with a bs name that's built in China by slave and child labor.

Then: You owned a Whirlpool washer and dryer that was built in Arkansas by Mark, Steve and Connie who were members of the local Union.

Now: You own a washer and dryer that was built in Mexico by Juan, Pablo and Rita.

Then: After Serving for 3 or 4 years you returned home and went to work at a manufacturing plant, joined the Local and bought a house that was built by the Carpenters' Local, had a house full of Union made appliances and drove a Union made car.

Now: After High School you go to work at WalMart and sell crap made in ChiCom and drive your Korean made car to your house that was built by illegal aliens.

Paul

P.S. I rode the USS Nimitz CVN-68 around the tip of South America, Cape Horn, in June '87. During the worst part of the trip waves were crashing over the flight deck which was 78' above the water line. All the weather decks were secured and Zebra was set at all times. My team boarded Her in Rio, Brazil and got off in San Diego to avoid Customs in Brazil.

P.S.S. I've used Zebra and Dog Zebra to bust a Seal poser before because anyone that's been in the Navy will know what Zebra and Dog Zebra means.
 
That's defines some of what is wrong with the country, but in no way justifies what has happened to the military.

I hate to think how totally FUBAR drunk I was at times when I got back to the ship, but if I could stand and salute the ensign, the OOD and some how slur out "permission to come aboard" that was all there was to it. I was a young sailor returning from liberty in a foreign port, nothing more. Nor the fact that I had a Top Secret w/NI clearance played into it. Today it would create a paper trail, counseling and maybe even pull my security clearance.

I owned some 70's union made pieces of crap from Detroit. The eff-things wouldn't start, ran like crap, needed something major (water pump, alternator, etc.) every 10-15K. Corporate greed and Union greed is why higher quality import cars got a foothold in the market. People work too hard for their money to buy inferior products, at least for major investments.

I drive a Dodge truck and a Toyota van. The truck has gone through a water pump, timing chain, transfer case, heater core, ball joints, brake lines, U-joints, in the first 100K. The Toyota, at over 100K, nothing.

Today someone comes home from the service and they can either well take a dead end job at Wal-Wart, or they can use their Veteran benefits and go to school and enhance the skills they bring from their service time, or take a whole new path. I teach technology at a local college, and see many do so and become successful in a well paying field. I follow many of them on LinkedIn and see them moving up within a few years of graduation, or starting their own business.

2012 was a banner year, the first year that a HDTV was actually made in the USA, by Element Electronics in Detroit. Apparently they are still in business as their TV's are listed on Amazon. Problem is they pretty much get a one star rating from people that have bought them. Yea, I won't be buying one anytime soon.
 
Unions are part of the problem now.... lt is not how it used to be..

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