Which load for my .45?
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NotTwoShure
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So, like . . . 230gr. The old but good is my idea. So, what like give you you know the best group?
AndeyHall
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Do what?
NotTwoShure
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I was poking fun. Being an old man, I have issues with young folks dialoged and habits. Such as folks using “Text-ing” short hand on Facebook or other such forums, the continued use of “Like, you know, umm” and folks starting sentences or verbal conversations with “So”. When a person comes up to me in person and says “So, you gonna eat the rest of that burger?” On the other hand, Obama when he stated, “I’ve got two daughters. . .” Gonna and I have got, and got for have and so on and on and on it really gets to me, get it. Gets to me.
In written reports, each and every word means (MEENS) something and in legal documents, an attorney is able to turn the written word into what they want it to mean (MEEN).
As to the real question, the slow 230 grain with 5.0 grains of W-231 in my loads (on the Dillon 550) is a great round for groupings. As to the use of the particular factory loads I would suggest 230gr. vs. any other. In my person experience.
Sorry for the smart butt response.
AndeyHall
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I actually am the same way when it comes to Facebook and other types of stuff. I'm not really sure where that so comes from but I've noticed I do it a lot lately. Now that I think hard about it though, I'm pretty sure it comes from my fiancé. She's got a habit of starting sentences that way and it's probably rubbing off. I'll be sure to pay attention though.
But as far as the slower and heavier rounds vs the faster lighter rounds, I was just thinking that it being a "duty" round, I may want the extra speed. Reason being, I've always been told that it takes very close to 1,000fps to effectively go through a windshield. I don't know if there's any truth to that or not, but the way I was looking at it is that most of the officers are using 180gr .40S&W rounds which are moving right around 1,000fps even. So I'm getting more velocity and still a heavier bullet.
AndeyHall
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Well I did some googling on 200gr +P vs 230gr and no one has the same answer. Most people agree to go with the 230gr over the 200 +P, but a few are the other way around. The one argument that made my mind up though was that +P's generally don't set well with 1911's. So I'd rather not kill my gun with too hot of a load. I guess rather than worrying about shooting through a windshield I'll just get out of the way of the damn car 
Well I did some googling on 200gr +P vs 230gr and no one has the same answer. Most people agree to go with the 230gr over the 200 +P, but a few are the other way around. The one argument that made my mind up though was that +P's generally don't set well with 1911's. So I'd rather not kill my gun with too hot of a load. I guess rather than worrying about shooting through a windshield I'll just get out of the way of the damn car
Either will go through a windshield. The heavier bullet should deflect slightly less. Still, getting out of the way would be prudent.
NotTwoShure
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Well I did some googling on 200gr +P vs 230gr and no one has the same answer. Most people agree to go with the 230gr over the 200 +P, but a few are the other way around. The one argument that made my mind up though was that +P's generally don't set well with 1911's. So I'd rather not kill my gun with too hot of a load. I guess rather than worrying about shooting through a windshield I'll just get out of the way of the damn car
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I have a few stats on .45 loads, I did use the Golden Saber in bulk loads and they were great, now I just stick with the Wenchester 230 JHP.
and have great groups.
jcreek
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Nahhh, I like the Die Hard option. Empty all rounds from both pistols (cause obviously your dual wielding), through the windshield before combat rolling up the hood and over the car. And don't forget to do it in slow motion. And save the girl.
AndeyHall
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Ha I was more or less being sarcastic. I'm sure there are circumstances where you can shoot through a windshield and not be in front of it.
no, the 230 gr loads DONT stay inside what you hit. They are going too slow to expand in flesh. Dont take my word for it, shoot some vermin animals, lengthwise and NOTICE that the exit woiunds look exactly like the entrance wounds! If the 200 gr loads are not plus P and fired from a 5" barrel, they probably won't expand in flesh, either.
memphis_raines
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I've read that a lot as well, that the 230 grain just doesn't move fast enough for proper expansion. I decided to go with the 185 grain Golden Sabers, which will get 950-975 fps even from a 4" barrel.
wolf_fire
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For what it's worth, our Sheriff's Office requires 230 gr for the 45 and 180 gr for the 40.
wolf_fire
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When you go through firearms training, you'll more than likely be told to never try to shoot at a windshield or at tires (especially moving). The windshield is angled and your round can easily ricochet upward at an angle with a little lawyer sitting on that round. The moving tires will also deflect your round. This kind of shooting is Hollywood stuff and not what happens in real life.
Shooting at a non-moving car is a different story.
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ezkl2230
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For defensive use, the 230 grain.
jcreek
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I saw on an episode of CSI several years ago (I know, it's Hollywood) that when a BG shot through a windshield the bullet actually deflected downward. The reason they gave for this, is that because he was shooting hollow points and the windshield is obviously slanted, the bottom lip of of hollow point contacted the glass first and "caught" causing the bullet to nose downward. To my thinking, even if the bullet nosed down, since it's moving on it's own momentum and no longer being propelled, there's no force pushing it in the new direction it's now facing and it would just tumble. The idea of it deflecting downward to me is implausible but the hollow point "catching" on the glass and tumbling seems possible to me. Not really sure the point of this post, just something interesting to think about.
