Which is better? Protect yourself/family or remove criminal from face of earth?


walt629

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I guess my question is more of attitude rather than willingness to shoot. Yes, I certainly am willing to shoot someone in defense. But it appears as if some people have the attitude that it is less desireable to simply deter the criminal from attacking me or my family than it is to kill the criminal to prevent them from moving on.

I have to believe that while we all have the mindset to kill in a situation that requires those actions, I have a hard time believing that there is a large section of us that are of the vigilante mentality and would chase down a BG to "eliminate" future threats. That having been said...

For example... a criminal invades your home and you meet them with a gun in hand. They start backing towards the door. Clearly, it appears as if QilvinLEO would have no problem shooting them because he would be doing the world a favor. I'm just wondering how many other gun carriers feel the same way... given the choice, which would you rather do, end the criminal's career permanently, or spare only your family from the attack and let the criminal move on.

As I said in my other post, if it is a home invasion, all civility is out the window. If the criminal encounter takes place 'in the open' letting a BG make a second life altering decision to the positive is not out of the question. If the BG decides to run, okay, he gets to live.

I assume he has no idea who me and mine are nor where he can finde me for retribution for me foiling his criminal intents.

A home invaion is completely different. The BG DOES know where I and my loved ones live. in this case I believe I whould do everything to prevent the BG from ever coming back. If that means killing the BG, so be it. There is nothing more important to me that my loved ones, especially some dirt bag standing in my living room now begging for mercy.

And if you let the criminal move on, do you think you bear part of the responsibility if the criminal goes next door and rapes the 19 year old girl.

No. I cannot be held responsible for the actions of the criminal. Would I feel some remorse if I found out later that serious harm had come to a vicitm? Yes, possibly. But them again, the victim chose to be a victim

In a situation where you have to pull you gun in defense are we really taking the time to consider whether or not the BG in front of you is going to go commit another crime against someone you may or may not know?

Way too much thinking about noncritical issues at a very critical time.

Personally, I feel like QilvinLEO's comments are pretty much B.S.

Possibly. But I think he may just be echoing some of the machismo we all like to believe we posses. :sarcastic:
 

Iteach4U

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Death is merely a side-effect of self-defense action that has been taken. The intent should always be to stop the threat. When we cross the line into "taking BG off the face of the earth" we start looking like we intend to kill people and that's not how a LAC operates.

The K word is very bad. Any good prosecutor will cue on that one word and start a line of questioning to make a defender look like a violent person who has the desire to take the lives of others. Since most of us would immediately go on the defensive if we're called a killer, one can bet that the same person will eventually slip up in testimony if the questioning gets heated in this subject line.
 

NCIC105

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In yet another open carry vs. concealed carry discussion on another forum, a die hard concealed carry only person makes the following statements, with my replies:

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There you have it folks, the latent desire of this concealed carrier to be executioner. I don't carry my firearm to remove criminals from the face of the earth with. I carry my firearm to protect myself and my family from criminals. If the criminal chooses not to attack me because he sees my gun, I have accomplished my goal AND I have spared my family the trauma and cost of the attack, the shooting, and the court proceedings.



I refuse to take responsibility for the criminal actions that a criminal takes on another person. They are responsible for those acts, not me.
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So, here's my questions:

Do you feel, as gun carriers, is it better that we simply prevent a criminal from attacking us and our family, and protect ourselves and our families from criminal actions; or is it better for us to execute the criminal?

Do you feel that, as gun carriers, some of the responsibility of the criminal's future actions falls upon us if we are presented with the opportunity to kill the criminal and we choose not to?

I believe my responses to the person above will indicate where I feel on this issues.

There was a poster on here (usacarry) a while in tha past that admitted his reason for conealed carry vs. open carry was the he hoped to have the opportunity to execute a criminal. I'll try to find that and post it as well.

NOTE: I believe the desire to execute criminals only exists in a very, very small minority of people who carry guns.... so please, don't think I am trying to make a blanket statement applicable to most concealed carriers.

Well you know what they say about opinions...
But since you asked..
It is always better to avoid the trouble...Seams like some hunt trouble...
I carry conceal but just what I prefer...I can see your point about open carry and it is a valid point! (If the person is aware of the events around them. If not they have no business with a gun concealed or open carried)

Folks should think before they post they want to execute a criminal...
I hope they understand if they are ever involved in a shooting these type post may come back to you in court..Some slick attorney could say you have been hunting a criminal to take out and your forum post proves it..
 

Agent Green

Banned
A great many carriers are, for lack of a better word, too bloodthirsty. It comes from having too much ego invested in carrying the gun. It's also why they're found on CCW forums...
 

SGB

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Pinnacle Safety

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I believe you can only shoot if you believe your life is in danger if that's the case why wouldn't you shoot them ?????????? Confused??????? Other than that they should never see your weapon
 

Firefighterchen

OC for Tactical Advantage
Pinnacle Safety:233596 said:
I believe you can only shoot if you believe your life is in danger if that's the case why wouldn't you shoot them ?????????? Confused??????? Other than that they should never see your weapon

First part: Agree.
Confused: No.
Second part: Disagree..
 

jg1967

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Yeah, a lot of folks here post stuff that boils down to "kill them all and let God sort them out!". How they would react in an actual fight is another matter but if they acted as they talked they would be in a lot of trouble very quickly. If you leave the rather narrow definition of justified self defense you might end up alive - and in for life.
 

festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
A great many carriers are, for lack of a better word, too bloodthirsty. It comes from having too much ego invested in carrying the gun. It's also why they're found on CCW forums...

It is one thing to make a blanket statement but when you quantify that statement with plurals then you are in effect throwing us all under the bus for the sentiments of one or two keyboard commandos. Seldom do I agree with Treo, but I stand with his assessment of the nature of your post. Before you start calling CCW permit holders bloodthirsty consider this...LOOK UP SOME REAL CRIME STATISTICS AND SEE HOW MANY LICENSED CARRIERS COMMIT ACTUAL CRIMES INVOLVING FIREARMS! I truly feel sorry for your outlook as you seem to have the ability to find and bring out the worst in members of this forum with out actually backing that up with facts...as far as bloodthirsty goes if I am threatened or any member of my family is threatened with death or grievous bodily harm I can and will stop the threat using legally applied justifiable deadly force. I do not want to kill or execute anyone or anything...I just want the threat to stop. If the threat becomes one of the deceased in the process that decision was already made when the threat presented/projected lethal capability in the presence of my family or myself.

As for your call of bloodthirsty CCW I think you need to go back to the Brady campaign website and finish soaking up all the feel good literature...while you are at it see if you can find the most peaceful way to deal with a violent offender who wants your wallet and doesn't want any witnesses because he ain't going back to the joint...Good day sir!
 

Grognard Gunny

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Fortunately the Castle Doctrine is swinging the "legal opinion" pendalum back in favor of self defenders. As it should be. Maybe there really is some "justice" to be found in the US after all.

With me, however, there is no "hesitating" with an imminent danger of life and limb situation. If it's he or me, I'd much rather it be him. Thank you very much.

My concern, personally, is what I used to call my "rage factor". While I was never a combat, sharp end of the stick, trooper, what combat experience I did have (when able to DO something, rather than crouch in a hole and hope I didn't get a mortar round as a holemate) demonstrated to me that I got enraged when attacked. Kind of a "What the HELL are you doing trying to kill me??????" rage!

Like the time we got ambushed in a convoy and while everyone is taking cover behind the trucks or in the defilade ditch on the far side of the road, your's truly, like a damn fool, is standing in the O-ring of a deuce and a half, banging away with a .50 cal for all he is worth with steam pouring out of his ears. Took my SNCO yelling at me to get out of there before I skeedaddled to a safer AO. All I could think of was to KILL the SOBs who had the audacity to try to kill me. DUMB!

I sincerely hope that "berserker" mode has been dwindled away by time to something of a lesser intensity. But, having not had the opportunity (?????? Better: Misfortune) of having to test the theory, I really can't say for sure.

A home invasion? Wow, man. THAT really would put me to the test of attitude, and could turn me into an enraged executioner, I don't know. I simply hope I can expend my ammo on targets that don't breathe for the rest of my natural life. Rather than to tempt fate.

Just sayin'.

GG
 

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