When to take the CWP class

NewlyEnthused

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I just received my new Beretta Storm, my first gun, and I am excited.
I know I want to get my CWP, but, not sure when is the best time.
I do not want to start carrying until I am confident I can hit fairly close to where I am aiming,

BUT

I know that it is taking weeks and sometimes months for the permits to be approved (pretty sure SC is the same as everywhere else on that).

My hope was to take the class as soon as I can, and continue practicing at the range while waiting for the CWP.

Or, is there a part of the CWP that tests if you can hit the side of the barn? (actually, my first shots ever with any gun was with a Beretta and they were evenly dispersed between the 8, 9, & 10 of 15 shots at 15 yards - I was impressed).

Bottom line to wait? or not to wait?

What do all the gurus out there say?
 
Why not take it now? No idea what the laws are in SC, but you would find out. At least you can do the research and find a class you would like to take, then call the instructor and ask what the requirements are. Then you'd know what to work for.
 
I got my CWP in SC just over a year ago. I would suggest to take your course as soon as possible. I would add that the 8 hour course is only a start. Carrying concealed and gun ownership is a great responsibility. So far, I have taken 24 hours of instruction and plan to take more in the coming year. The benefits of concealed carry could save your life. Mistakes could cost an innocent life. Celebrate your ownership and train soon.
 
What part of South Carolina are you in ? If in The Greenville area I would highly recommend going to Allen Arms. They can help you with everything you need to include getting your CWP. Welcome to the world of firearms. Learn Safety first and foremost.
 
Just because you have the permit does not mean that you must carry the gun. If it were me, I would rather have the permit so that I could carry when I felt ready, rather than feeling ready and not have the permit.
 
Hi, NewlyEnthused. The previous posts are all valid. Here's my two cents (and then some)...

My understanding is that you are a SC resident, since you referenced SC processing time. I'm about a year ahead of you in the shooting sports learning curve and live in SC. Before then, I was a complete newbie. I learned all that follows since January 2013.

Since your goal is to carry concealed, I'll assume that your firearm is the subcompact version of the Beretta Storm. You may learn something from my experiences.

The first thing I did after I acquired my very first firearm, a Ruger LC9 pocket semi-automatic pistol, was take the SC CCW course on January 25, 2013. The SC CCW class does have a live-fire *timed* accuracy component. Even though I hadn't shot a handgun (and it was a .44 Magnum revolver) in about 35 years, had never shot a semi-automatic pistol (let alone my own Ruger!), and didn't even know how to load the magazine, I passed the timed accuracy component with flying colors. I have no idea how I did it.

Moral No. 1: Your first gun, or even your second gun may not be the best fit.

I found the Ruger LC9 very difficult to rack. I've been told that a stiff slide rack is typical of the smaller semi-autos. I kept pinching fingers and getting blood blisters, a factor of having no training on how to handle this particular firearm, let alone *any* semi-auto pistol. My thumb was bleeding from trying to load the magazine during the timed accuracy test. By the end, my gun, magazine, ammo, shirt, and pants were bloody! Red flag! (No pun intended.)

I sold the Ruger (at a big loss) shortly thereafter and purchased a Glock 17 Gen 4. I began instruction as a conditional member of a local NRA-affiliated rifle and pistol club. I've tried four times since May to qualify for full membership in the club. Every time I touch the Glock, it's like I'd never handled it before. I wasn't comfortable with it at all. Another red flag!

My mentor surmised that the problem was the semi-auto pistol, not my ability, and proved it by trying me out with his open-sight and scoped rifles and a 4"-barrel S&W revolver. With those, I was a *great* shot. I purchased a S&W revolver, will be selling my Glock (probably losing more money). But that is not my carry gun. I've decided to acquire and improve my shooting skills **before** looking for a carry firearm.

I took the advice of salemen in gun shops when I purchased the Ruger and Glock. That was part of the problem. It's not the salesman's responsibility to pick the right gun for you. They'll sell you anything, as is their job. Get some experience shooting any gun you think you might buy. Rent one at a range, or ask to try one, SAFELY, belonging to a friend/relative. My mentor says, when shopping for a firearm, close your eyes and pick it up. If it doesn't feel comfortable in the store, it never will. (The S&W revolver is a perfect fit for me.)

Moral No. 2: It takes more than shooting skills and a permit to survive a gun fight.

Another point: Practicing simple firing (establishing proper stance, grip, breath and trigger control, and acquiring a sight picture) on an indoor or outdoor range with no time limit is much different from actually drawing/firing accurately in an emergency situation. In a confrontation, you will only have seconds to react. Your adversary will likely be within 5 to 15 feet of you and closing fast, with a lethal weapon at the ready.

After you have evaluated and purchased the best carry firearm for you, with which you are comfortable and skilled at shooting, you still need to do some preparation:
(1) Get a good holster with which you are physically and mentally comfortable, and take time to break it in so that it fits you and your firearm perfectly.
(2) Learn how to evaluate the situation accurately before you decide to draw. ("Do I -- and those I am protecting -- have the option to escape unharmed without using my firearm?"). (3) Practice -- until smooth and accurate -- drawing from your concealed holster until you can present your firearm with a firm grip *right out of the holster and ready to fire*, in less than three seconds.

Only after all this are you someone I would trust out on a dark street with a loaded firearm. In the meantime, get yourself a tactical pen! Good luck!
 
Education is very important, I say take the class now so you can apply what you learn and incorporate it into your training while you wait on the process to complete. Furthermore even if you take the class and get your permit, that doesn't mean you can't wait to actually carry until you feel you're ready training wise.

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Your question is whether or not to take the CCW course and get your CCP. My question to you is, when you go to your firing range do you like to stow your firearm in the glove box, console or trunk? Would you rather carry it on you? Would you rather that you not have to worry that you are possessing it in an "illegal" manner because you do not have your CCP?

Take the course (you may learn something you hadn't)... apply for the permit. It's not a mandate to carry on your person once you have the permit, but it gives you some privileges that at one time were rights.
 
Take the class as soon as you feel comfortable taking it. Make sure you understand the CWP class requirements, including any knowledge test and target shooting. Depending on your state's laws, you may be able to qualify with a rented 22lr semi-auto or revolver.

Independent from that, take some training classes, and practice in-between them. Initial issues new shooters face are improper grip and sight picture/alignment that can be easily fixed in your first training class. Any recoil sensitivity/anticipation will go away with practice. Drawing your gun from a holster, shooting while moving, and point shooting are also important things to learn in another class later on.

Now all of this is related to handling a handgun. There are more factors when it comes to personal safety, including situational awareness and non-lethal defense options. You may want to carry a tactical pen, self defense spray, and/or a flashlight, especially in gun-free zones. Make a self defense plan for yourself!

Start carrying your gun when you feel comfortable with it. You don't have to complete all this training before you start carrying. Take the CWP class and then go to the range every week or two. You will be ready by the time the permit arrives.

A note on plinking vs. self defense shooting practice. While shooting at cans and jugs in your backyard or at an outdoor range is a lot of fun, it does not substitute self defense shooting practice.

A note on transporting a loaded handgun. Before obtaining the CWP, you need to transport your handgun unloaded, typically ammo separated from handgun. Once you have your CWP, this requirement does not exist anymore. However, do not transport a loaded handgun that is not on your body. In other words, if you have your CWP and you are not comfortable carrying your handgun, do not transport it with a loaded magazine in the range bag. You do not want to give an unauthorized person access to your loaded handgun.

Similarly, store your loaded handgun securely at home.
 
To emphasize -- The SC CCW permit process involves accuracy testing in timed shooting at 5, 10, and (I think) 15 yards. If you've only just acquired your first handgun, you may want to practice shooting it before you take the class.

Also, if you live in north central SC (eastern York, northern Lancaster counties, aka the Charlotte metro region of SC), it may be convenient for you to join the Charlotte Rifle and Pistol Club. Their training is superior, you need not be a NC resident, and their emphasis on safety will give you a good foundation.
 
On the matter of transporting your handgun before you have your CCW permit:

In SC, the firearm must be unloaded and stowed in a locked compartment and out of sight. The locked compartment may be the glove box, console, trunk, etc. Open carry is not permitted at this time.

If you drive into NC, you must have the firearm unloaded and in plain sight (e.g., out on the seat next to you). Because I didn't want any casual observer to see my handgun, I covered it with a towel or newspaper. If a police officer approached (which never happened), I planned to uncover the handgun, place both hands on the steering wheel, and let the officer know immediately that there was a firearm in the vehicle. Also, open carry is not allowed in NC at this time.

It's a good idea to look into a firearm safe for your home. The laws of many (if not all) states require you to keep your firearm and its ammunition out of the hands of unauthorized persons. You might consider a small safe that allows for quick access in case you need it for home protection. Do your research before you spend your hard-earned money.

Another reason to take the CCW course is that it will give you an overview of SC firearms laws. Whether you have a CCW permit or not, you are responsible for knowing and obeying the firearms laws of any state in which you have a firearm in your possession, concealed or otherwise.
 
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Thanks for all the responses.
Is there a way to upload all the collective wisdom and experiences from the gurus on this forum and download into my brain?
Even if I could read all the posts (which I try) I will never be able to remember them all.
 
A Chinese saying (I read it on a fortune cookie) a journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step. I decided to bundle a handgun 101 with my TX CHL class (instead of $75/each, they offered both for $98.00) I thought it was a good idea to get a good basic knowledge from experts on what I was getting into.

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On the matter of transporting your handgun before you have your CCW permit:

In SC, the firearm must be unloaded and stowed in a locked compartment and out of sight. The locked compartment may be the glove box, console, trunk, etc. Open carry is not permitted at this time.

If you drive into NC, you must have the firearm unloaded and in plain sight (e.g., out on the seat next to you). Because I didn't want any casual observer to see my handgun, I covered it with a towel or newspaper. If a police officer approached (which never happened), I planned to uncover the handgun, place both hands on the steering wheel, and let the officer know immediately that there was a firearm in the vehicle. Also, open carry is not allowed in NC at this time.

It's a good idea to look into a firearm safe for your home. The laws of many (if not all) states require you to keep your firearm and its ammunition out of the hands of unauthorized persons. You might consider a small safe that allows for quick access in case you need it for home protection. Do your research before you spend your hard-earned money.

Another reason to take the CCW course is that it will give you an overview of SC firearms laws. Whether you have a CCW permit or not, you are responsible for knowing and obeying the firearms laws of any state in which you have a firearm in your possession, concealed or otherwise.

WRONG! (in Bold)

It is perfectly legal in SC to carry a loaded firearm in your glove box or console. The only requirement is the glove box or console must be "latch able". (No lock is required.)

SECTION 16-23-20. Unlawful carrying of handgun; exceptions.
a person in a vehicle if the handgun is:

(a) secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle; however, this item is not violated if the glove compartment, console, or trunk is opened in the presence of a law enforcement officer for the sole purpose of retrieving a driver's license, registration, or proof of insurance;


OP, There is no reason to wait to take a CWP class. Let us know where you're at and we can help you find a good instructor.

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tcox4freedom: I am in the Greenville SC area. I looked around and there appears to be two places that offer the classes (Allen Arms and Palmetto Arsenal). When I contacted Palmetto about the class, It appears the CWP is not offered in Greenville, but Columbus and somewhere else. The class from Allen Arms is a 10 hour and includes safety, laws, and permit, and the price includes a year of range fees.
My only problem is Allen Arms is over a half hour drive away, and there is a range 10 minutes away. I would hate to throw away a year of free range but, the distance is a pain.
The class cost from Allen Arms is $160 and includes the $50 permit fee, fingerprints, and photograph, so it is a good sound deal.
Another kicker is I ordered a Supertuck holster and they take about 4 weeks, and I would like to practice with it before the class.

Is there anywhere else in this area? if it helps, my zip code is 29680
 
Another kicker is I ordered a Supertuck holster and they take about 4 weeks, and I would like to practice with it before the class.

I'd be real surprised if your instruction on the range will include drawing from concealment, or drawing from a holster at all. The "training" such as it is, will most likely only require that you demonstrate absorption and implementation of the safety rules you learned in class, and enough "proficiency" that you can stay on the paper, probably within the black, of the target you're shooting at. In all likelihood, your weapon will stay on the table in front of where you're standing until you are instructed to fire your qualifying round at your target(s).

Super Tuck was a good choice, but you probably won't need it before you get your CWP except to practice drawing (unloaded) and snap-cap dry-firing in the house.

Blues
 
You will "most likely" not be allowed to draw from inside the waistband during the CWP class.

You will need a molded leather or kydex OWB holster (paddle or belt) and a jacket or vest for a cover garment. Three other things that most all instructors require will be safety glasses (RX or sun glasses will usually do though.), a ball cap and closed toe shoes.

The good thing is- most instructors will have extra firearms, holsters and safety glasses available. I've even seen students come through class that don't even own a firearm yet. (We usually have extras available to get them through qualification.)

Good instructors can take students that have never even held a firearm and get them qualified. It's happened in every class I've been involved in. Most of us (around here), actually prefer to work with in-experienced or new shooters; mainly, because we don't have to get them to UN-learn the bad habits some more experienced shooters have picked up over the years.

Just go with a good instructor OP and you'll be fine.


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I will find out how good this master instructor is with this fledgling rookie this Saturday. It is a 10 course of basics, laws, safety, and CWP.

I shot up a lot of paper with circles and numbers, now to see if I learned anything.
 

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