Wheel gun

[missoak]

I got a line on a Taurus 85 revolver in 40 cal.
Guess this gun uses a moon clip to hold the rounds in the cylinder.
Not sure if that is something I want to mess with. Seems to me it
would be a PITA.
Any one have any experience with one of these?
Guess it comes in 9mm also.

 

[Purple]

Moon clips don't necessarily hold the rounds in the cylinder. It's more like a speed loader and hold multiple rounds together. I like them because they are smaller than standard speed loaders and easier to slip rounds into the cylinder. They can be a pain to slip rounds in or out of, but there are some tool out there that work well.

 

[jcreek]

Why would you want to? Given the same cartridge revolvers inherently have less power and velocity than semis due to the cylinder gap. Not to mention more recoil due to there being no springs to absorb it.

 

[NotTwoShure]

Good point, I was looking at one also but had no ideas. Guess the Glocks will do. My wife does not like semis so I thought this would be a good way for us to share ammo in the desert. Thanks.

 

[Bill Cavalieri]

The Charter Arms Pit Bull handles 40 caliber without using moon clips. They came up with an extractor that holds the rounds in the cylinder until you press the plunger then they're all ejected at the same time.

 

[gunnerbob]

I wouldn't prefer a revolver chambered for a traditional auto cartridge. Not that moon clips aren't all well and good, they are... I just refer not having to rely on them I suppose.

 

[missoak]

Why would you want to? Given the same cartridge revolvers inherently have less power and velocity than semis due to the cylinder gap. Not to mention more recoil due to there being no springs to absorb it.

Not sure if I understand your question. Why would I want to buy a wheel gun? Or why would I buy a wheel gun that takes 40 cal ammo?
The answers would be,(!) I want one because it's one of the only firearm types I don't have at the moment. I have revolvers, but not one I COULD carry. (2) I'm impatient & that's all I've been able to find NEW.

 

[Warbirds]

Moon clips don't necessarily hold the rounds in the cylinder. It's more like a speed loader and hold multiple rounds together. I like them because they are smaller than standard speed loaders and easier to slip rounds into the cylinder. They can be a pain to slip rounds in or out of, but there are some tool out there that work well.

The 40 is a rimless cartridge so it either needs the moon clip to headspace on the rim like every other revolver or this is some sort of special revolver that headspaces on the mouth of the case and the clip serves no purpose other than extraction like you said.

Most revolvers fall into the requires moon clips for semi auto cartridges, even if you could, most times you shouldn't use them without since the revolver does headspace on the rim. I have heard that there is a S&W that headspace on the mouth but I don't know the model.

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[Punch]

Why would you want to? Given the same cartridge revolvers inherently have less power and velocity than semis due to the cylinder gap. Not to mention more recoil due to there being no springs to absorb it.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because the small drop in velocity of a 10mm fired from a revolver is insignificant compared to the stronger loads I can work up without having the thing Kboom on me. Also, it will still fire all six shots even if I limp wrist it or do not get the best grip (who knows, I may not have gotten off the first shot). Maybe because I can use bullet designs (Keith type LSWC-GC, full wadcutters) that will not feed out of many semi-automatics. Lots of reasons.

 

[jcreek]

Why would you want to? Given the same cartridge revolvers inherently have less power and velocity than semis due to the cylinder gap. Not to mention more recoil due to there being no springs to absorb it.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because the small drop in velocity of a 10mm fired from a revolver is insignificant compared to the stronger loads I can work up without having the thing Kboom on me. Also, it will still fire all six shots even if I limp wrist it or do not get the best grip (who knows, I may not have gotten off the first shot). Maybe because I can use bullet designs (Keith type LSWC-GC, full wadcutters) that will not feed out of many semi-automatics. Lots of reasons.

Well when you chrono a 10mm out of a semi and a revolver let me know, id like to see it. A .357 mag and a 9mm over an average of bullet weights have roughly the same stopping power. Difference is the .357s case is 14mm longer and takes almost twice the powder. I feel like if you take the same cartridge fired out of a semi and a revolver given the same barrel length the difference is going to be more than slight. Also you're right, a revolver shooting a hot 10mm won't limp wrist if you get a poor grip on it. It'll just blow itself out of your hand. And why are you shooting wadcutters for self defense? If in fact you're using them to shoot targets, I digress, why do you need to be shooting a .40? What's wrong with .38 wadcutters? Sorry, I'm not judging, I just don't see the logic behind it.

 

[jcreek]

Why would you want to? Given the same cartridge revolvers inherently have less power and velocity than semis due to the cylinder gap. Not to mention more recoil due to there being no springs to absorb it.

Not sure if I understand your question. Why would I want to buy a wheel gun? Or why would I buy a wheel gun that takes 40 cal ammo?
The answers would be,(!) I want one because it's one of the only firearm types I don't have at the moment. I have revolvers, but not one I COULD carry. (2) I'm impatient & that's all I've been able to find NEW.

Ya I was asking why you'd want one that shoots .40. I love wheel guns. They're fun toys. I just don't see the practicality of carrying one as a primary. As reliable as most semis are these days with all the other benefits I feel they're a much better choice for primary carry. I still carry a revolver as a bug though. I guess if it's all you can find then it's all you can find though.

 

[Punch]

Well when you chrono a 10mm out of a semi and a revolver let me know, id like to see it. A .357 mag and a 9mm over an average of bullet weights have roughly the same stopping power. Difference is the .357s case is 14mm longer and takes almost twice the powder. I feel like if you take the same cartridge fired out of a semi and a revolver given the same barrel length the difference is going to be more than slight. Also you're right, a revolver shooting a hot 10mm won't limp wrist if you get a poor grip on it. It'll just blow itself out of your hand. And why are you shooting wadcutters for self defense? If in fact you're using them to shoot targets, I digress, why do you need to be shooting a .40? What's wrong with .38 wadcutters? Sorry, I'm not judging, I just don't see the logic behind it.

I have done so with the .45 acp. I like the revolver because I do not HAVE to use the same loading. In my auto, I have to load what the darn thing will feed. No such problem with the Smith 25. I'm sorry, but if you have ever had a revolver blow out of your hand, you would have to be pretty much an idiot (not saying "you" to mean you personally). I have shot magnums all of my life and have never even come close. I have had failures to feed in my autos. Wadcutters for self defense? 255 grain full wadcutter, linotype from my NEI mould at 900 fps out of my .45 Colt is one of my favorite loads. Dead accurate. Hard hitting. I have shot wadcutters out of my .38s, HBWC loaded backwards. Not my favorite load. I much prefer 158 gr LSWC-HP or the 160 LSWC-GC out of the .38 Special.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing particularly against autos. I came in this morning with a .44 Special Ruger on my right hip and an East German Makarov in my left coat pocket. I often carry a Glock 30 with me. My field gun was a Glock 20, so I am pretty familiar with the 10mm round. I like it much more than the .38 Special, and plan to have a .357 Magnum Ruger Super Blackhawk converted to 10mm. I fell in love with the cartridge when I would fire my buddy's Smith 610. Unfortunatly, the same loads he used blew up in my Glock 20 (fixed the problem, but got rid of the Glock). So, I can understand completely why someone would want a revolver in a semi-auto chambering.

 

[missoak]

Still want to get a revolver, even if I never carry it.
So, I'm going to try being patient for a change & wait for a 357, or 38sp.
Hopefully the situation we're in now will be over soon.

 

[jcreek]

Still want to get a revolver, even if I never carry it.
So, I'm going to try being patient for a change & wait for a 357, or 38sp.
Hopefully the situation we're in now will be over soon.

I don't blame ya. When I first started shooting I really thought of revolvers as pretty show guns but I now own several because they're a blast to shoot. I didn't mean to rag on you for wanting one in a semi chambering I just think rimmed cartridges are more practical. Don't have to sit there and load moon clips at the range.

 

[missoak]

Thanks. No, I just wanted to get various oppinions before I get something I don't really want.
Problem is, None of the LGS in my area have any in stock to handle. So I'm basing my ideas from what I see on the WEB.
Have found some in 38 & 357 at Bud's, KY Guns, Armslist, etc. But most are brands that I'm not too familiar with. Or they
are the very top of the line models. Not wanting to spend that kind of $$$ on a safe queen.
So, I hope there will be some available soon.

 

[gunnerbob]

FWIW, IMO it's tough to beat the price-point to quality ratio of the new Taurus line of .38Spl revolvers. I think Taurus makes some damn good revolvers and I own three of their .38s (technically one is a Rossi) and I trust them for personal and home defense. It's tough to beat the cost of .38Spl, even now... the results are pretty good with the newer personal defense loadings in .38Spl (youtube it), even out of snub guns. I do trust .38Spl to get the job done in a CCW scenario, call me stupid, I don't care. You could always get one of the all-steel snubs in .357mag, I personally avoid shooting magnums in the lightweight revolvers of today. Too much recoil and muzzle blast for my liking. I can get all five .38Spl rounds on the pie plate at seven yards in about 2-3 seconds, from the concealed draw... I'll take that all day.

 

[missoak]

I have a line on a new S&W Model 60. It's in 357.
Very nice gun, heavy. In 38sp should be a good range gun.
I am trying to get the $$$ together. Almost there.

 

[jcreek]

Taurus makes nice revolvers for the price, crappy semi's IMO. I don't think you can beat a S&W revolver I love mine.

 

[gunnerbob]

I have a line on a new S&W Model 60. It's in 357.
Very nice gun, heavy. In 38sp should be a good range gun.
I am trying to get the $$$ together. Almost there.

If the revolver is heavy, you shouldn't have any issue shooting magnums. Having the ability to train with .38Spl is a great addition, I hope you get it!

Taurus makes nice revolvers for the price, crappy semi's IMO. I don't think you can beat a S&W revolver I love mine.

I have only had two Taurus autos, the TCP and PT-92. I still have the TCP and love it as a CCW piece, it is a fine little weapon. The PT-92 I had worked great, but I traded it for a Mosin T53 a year or two ago. I wanted to replace it with another 92FS anyway so I hadn't planned on keeping it long. I haven't had a chance to use any other autos of theirs, I've heard mixed things though.

 

[jcreek]

I have a line on a new S&W Model 60. It's in 357.
Very nice gun, heavy. In 38sp should be a good range gun.
I am trying to get the $$$ together. Almost there.

If the revolver is heavy, you shouldn't have any issue shooting magnums. Having the ability to train with .38Spl is a great addition, I hope you get it!

Taurus makes nice revolvers for the price, crappy semi's IMO. I don't think you can beat a S&W revolver I love mine.

I have only had two Taurus autos, the TCP and PT-92. I still have the TCP and love it as a CCW piece, it is a fine little weapon. The PT-92 I had worked great, but I traded it for a Mosin T53 a year or two ago. I wanted to replace it with another 92FS anyway so I hadn't planned on keeping it long. I haven't had a chance to use any other autos of theirs, I've heard mixed things though.

Everybody I've talked to too, it seems to be kinda a hit or miss thing. People who have shot taurus Semis either love em or hate em. Everyone I've shot felt like it was about to rattle itself apart in my hands. Tolerances were way to loose for my preference.