Whats your local range experience been like since Feinstein's latest?

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Courtney.cj.chen

Courtney
Hey,

I posted this because I had a great experience at my local range- which sells guns and ammo (i'm assuming most ranges sell ammo? yes no?)- several weeks ago.

I live in the suburbs. The closest place for me to do outdoor shooting- that isn't a range- is my bfs wooded compound about 90 mins away. Since Sandy H. i've avoided indoor ranges bc i assumed that they were out of ammo or charging a ton. But when I bought my FNX-9 and was too excited to wait until the next time my guy had the time to make a trip- so I headed to my local range. I brought my own ammo, but only 34 rds so that I wouldnt be tempted to use more. And then I ran out. So the guy who was watching me on camera, asked me if i needed more ammo when i came back to the counter. I asked him how much? and he told me $15.50 for a box of 9mm FMJ winchester! That is a wonderful and very reasonable range price. And they had a 2 box limit. So i got one box.

With that being said- One question and one statement: I wonder how many of those people who are cleaning out the shelves and with friends and relatives straw buying- are doing so because they own or co-own etc. a gun range- so that not having ammo for the people who don't usually own their own ammo (besides a box of HPs) would mean a definite- on losing their business. If you're a range owner/manager/employee- whats your input?

And how has your experience been in terms of ammo prices/availability- and any other price changes- at any of the ranges you frequent?
 
Local indoor range here has available ammo for range use. Its even reasonably priced.

I hope they weather this tough time we are going through now. I would hate to see them go under.
 
I'm the CRSO and long time member of our local club. Our range/club does not sell guns or ammo. We have a few organized events each month, but most of the time those who come to shoot are on their own. We don't have anyone on site full time for any purpose.

The current gun and ammo shortage is simply a response to supply and demand. The demand has been increased by the pressures from government at many levels, both threats and their own massive purchases. The supply has not had time to catch up.

I seriously doubt that purchases by a few gun clubs/ranges will make any difference. We just have to wait it out and see what happens. Those who bought plenty of what they needed years ago will not be worried about it in any case.
 
Range by me sells ammo upstairs two box limit $19, but now they are out and their range ammo (same thing) is $24 a box for 9mm. Their sister stores is out of range ammo completely for 9mm. Slim pickings in MN.
 
This came from a club I belong to last month. And they also make ammo.
Dear XXXXX XXXXX friends and customers,
As we are all aware, there's a nationwide ammunition shortage. While prices continue to rise due to the high demand and short supply, we are doing all we can to make sure that we are always stocked with your favorite most commonly used ammunition. However, this has required us to purchase ammunition through all available channels which in turn has made our prices necessarily increase.

We would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that XXXXX XXXXX Gun Club does not prohibit or restrict our customers from Bringing Your Own Bullets (BYOB)

Thank you for your continued support,

Sincerely,

Your XXXXX XXXXX Gun Club Team
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this woman needs to give it a rest! people are free to buy as much ammo as they care to, end of story, we are not a socialist state yet.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need doe not yet apply.
if you want to stock pile ammo, and can find it and don't mind paying a premium price then go for it.
hell, if you want to pay absurd amounts of money you might even convince me to take some profits, ain't capitalism great?
 
One local range reloads for their rental guns, and will sell to you for your firearm. Prices have gone up, but they still have rounds for practice and sale.

Another sells commercial rounds for their rental guns, and the cost has doubled in the last couple of months (decreased supply and increased demand). They do not allow reloaded rounds in their rental guns.

One club's youth league was threatened to forfeit their last match due to lack of ammo. Poor planning on the part of the adult leaders, but the club members came through for them.

Another local club is limiting their summer youth program due to difficulty obtaining ammo (limit the maximum number of participants and competition entries).

So the be prepared thing seems to have worked for some, but those who just joined the party are having difficulties, as are our youth participants. It should pass as the supply line catches up, but do not look for prices to drop to pre-Newtown levels.
 
apvbguy said:
this woman needs to give it a rest! people are free to buy as much ammo as they care to, end of story, we are not a socialist state yet.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need doe not yet apply.
if you want to stock pile ammo, and can find it and don't mind paying a premium price then go for it.
hell, if you want to pay absurd amounts of money you might even convince me to take some profits, ain't capitalism great?
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It sounded to me that she was looking for another explanation for what had first appeared to be panic buying, but may have been due in part to range owners trying to keep their establishments stocked(?)
 
Yea, here in my slice of the woods, I can not find any ammo for the guns I have. Last night my Brother in Law mentioned to me that the shelves are loaded up where he is at for the calibers that I need. Guess what? Im putting a good chunk of change into his account so he can purchase ammo for me. Good thing we will be going his way here in a few weeks to pick it up. No, Im not a range owner, just another jack wagon who should have stocked up sooner and did not. With hunting season coming up, I need the ammo to practice with, so does my boy and wife who will be able to go after their first deer\elk\antelope this year, depending on how the draw goes. Ill be honest, I want a bunch of rounds for my "military style" rifle (M1A) for defense purposes, but I also hunt with it so its a draw there.
 
Lgs's here in IL have ammo for range use only no cash/carry. 9mm will run $24-$26 for a box of 50 and you can imagine what .40sw and 45acp goes for from there. I used to shoot once a week, now I shoot once a month if I am lucky. Ammo is really hard to find and I will not pay those inflated prices. I will have to wait it out which really sucks. My handguns are becoming safe queens, which pisses me off....
 
if you were allowed to exercise your rights to carry a weapon in IL your guns would not be safe queens, they'd be a tool that you use daily to assist in your self protection
 
Uh apv,

First- if I was trying to continue my prior topic of saying that I felt that the ammo prices/depletion was a situation that is being made worse by people who are responding directly to panic and nothing else(nothing refers to the buyers. Not the epidemic. I am well aware and becoming more aware of the govt purchases)- then I have the right to do so.

But in this thread, I was not. In asking my question of wondering how many range owners etc were going to retail stores bc their own suppliers had zero supply - it was an entirely different can of worms I was opening. In my opinion- every time a range goes out of business - the left wins, and takes them one step closer to a gun free country. When a range closes- that means that's one less place for people to go practice shooting and enjoy the sport of it. If you guys google caseyville gun club (members only club) in Illinois - they went thru a massive law suit against state of il and had to raise their prices to pay for their attorney fees while the taxpayers paid for the state of Illinois' attorney fees. The argument? That due to local Scott Air Force base- the location of the gun club made it dangerous to planes flying over the club. And how many times has a bullet being shot from a range ever hit a plane? Zero. Judge ruled in favor of the gun club and ordered state of il to pay for caseyville's legal fees. This was a suit that stretched over several years and had almost put this place out of business.

And now here we are, with ammo shortages- and gun ranges are a likely casualty that I don't think many of us considered in all of this. Bringing me to my next thought- anyone know of any gun ranges that have shut down due to this? I'm assuming this would affect places that have range time as their SOLE product.
 
No shutdowns so far by me.
The only ranges in my area are part of full-blown firearms/ammo retailers. So I guess it could be said that any ammo shortage will put a dent in their business either way.
I would add that the one range has a ten-lane 100 yard INDOOR range, so in NY state, THAT boy's paying some serious property tax on that huge footprint. So if he's not filling those lanes, he's hurtin'.
 
And this whole thing is kind of weird, to me anyway ...
Does the retailer's inability to keep up with the unreasonable demand actually mean he's doing poorly, or that he's just not doing as well as he could have if he could have supplied panicked buyers?
In the end, they sold everything they had - guns, ammo, reloading supplies - probably more than they would have without the panic. Is that bad?
Have I made it quite obvious that I have no idea what I'm talking about? Why yes...yes I have!!
 
Well, I know that the only range I go to, and it's indoors too, is having problems having enough ammo to keep their lanes full. I've reached the point where I cain't shoot unless I can replace the ammo. Plus you can't find out if they have enough by phone, because (1) they're 1.5 hours from here and (2) how many will show up before I get there and they buy it all up. (3) 3 hour drive and the gas to just to find out your SOL!
So I shoot on my son in laws 75 acre plot, when the weather is good and can replace the ammo. The weather here hasn't been too good this winter or the ammo supply.
 
Ok, that I can grasp. In the case of the range I mentioned, I very rarely see anyone NOT bringing their own ammo. The proprietor is very high with his ammo prices, always has been. So this range isn't really a good example.
 
2Awarrior said:
Ok, that I can grasp. In the case of the range I mentioned, I very rarely see anyone NOT bringing their own ammo. The proprietor is very high with his ammo prices, always has been. So this range isn't really a good example.
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That's been my experience too. But since the ammo shortage more people are buying their ammo there because they can't find any and don't want to burn through their stash.
 
Interesting thoughts here. I would consider that many range owners are small business owners. As such, a good and growing business is often diversified so that shortages or poor sales in one area have a smaller impact on the overall business. This lesson was learned by many folks through history who relied on one buyer for all there business then were squeezed when that buyer chose to pay less or go elsewhere. Capitalism really works, but you have to apply all the fundamentals, not just the one that works for you right now. So the business of range ownership should survive this episode, while some of the marginal ranges may fail.
 
Pawn shops and local gun ranges are buying up most of the ammo that is being made. Many of them are driving for hours to source the ammo, in order to cover that cost, they must charge more for it. I love it when I see the maroon box of federal ammo sitting on their shelf. If you look at the number on it, it starts with "WM", this stands for Walmart and means that they went to Walmart to initially buy it.

I am seeing ammo free up a LOT in the past couple of weeks. I just bought a bunch of CCI Mini Mags at $12 for a hundred. I have also purchased 100 rounds of .40 for $35 and 7.62 x 39 for $4.99. I do have to look online and move pretty fast when I find it but there is still plenty there.

It's going to ease up and when it does, those guys who purchased tons of ammo to flip it are goint to take it in the shorts. We are seeing it happen AR's now.

I'm sure they made a profit and more power to them. I used to only buy from small local gun shops since I wanted to support them. However, since they are the ones who have done most of the flipping/gouging, I probably won't anymore. I have learned that buying over the internet is easy and the big box stores didn't jack their prices up as bad.

It's all capitalism and it's all good.
 
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