What would you do?

DGeorge

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What would you do in this situation? Apparently these two muggers were not armed (lets assume they were not). Would you have drawn your weapon and shot them, or would you let them have your wallet and let them get away?

" Fairfax County Police are looking for suspects in a robbery that took place on a trail near the 12000 block of Sunset Hills Road and Reston Parkway.

The victim said he was walking on the path on Sunday about 9:30 p.m. when when two men pushed him to the ground, took his property and fled.
The suspects were described as Hispanic, late teens to early twenties, approximately 5 feet 8 inches to 5 feet 11 inches, wearing dark clothing,......."
 
"What would you do?"

To all prospective respondents: You have the right to remain silent. Whether or not you have the brains to is as-yet undetermined.
 
Take my bad leg off and wear their ass out with it?

Is yours as sexy as this?

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Well, interesting response. This incidence happened near my house. No one wants to consider how they would react? This is the more likely situation we might find ourselves in, and we don't want to consider what we would do? I think this type of scenario should be taught in CCW classes. Why silence BS?
 
That's about 2 miles from my house so I will provide an answer. Considering that it was at 9:30 pm on Reston Pkwy the guys had to be pretty brave considering the police station is just on the other side of RTC. My natural response would be to fight them off first. I'm a fairly big guy and that is usually a deterrent enough for criminals looking for a victim. If it did happen though and they just pushed me then i'd engage them in fisticuffs. Stop laughing, i'm serious.

I carry everyday but that doesn't mean that I get to shoot every ******* who feels pushy. CCP carries a responsibility with it that you can know the difference between a situation that warrants deadly force and one that doesn't. This one doesn't, I would not present my firearm.

EDIT: Having thought about that for a moment. I'm 39 years old and 6'3". If I was 69 and weighed 140 lbs I might have an entirely different opinion.
 
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Well, interesting response. This incidence happened near my house. No one wants to consider how they would react? This is the more likely situation we might find ourselves in, and we don't want to consider what we would do? I think this type of scenario should be taught in CCW classes. Why silence BS?

It has been almost three months since I politely asked, and I guess that's enough time for you to forget how to address someone respectfully, but....

If you think I'm full of BS, then call out my words as BS. If you need a shorthand for my user name though, I would prefer "Blues."

Thanks,

Blues

We'll chalk it up to a RAM-dump this time, but not again, so maybe keep that in mind if you're at all interested in conversing with me.

Otherwise, the reason I recommend silence to the way you presented your query is two-fold: 1) You turned a news story into a hypothetical by saying "apparently" and "let's assume" the attackers weren't armed. You also failed to source the story so that those of us who might consider replying to it could see if what you posted was the totality of information available, which, as far as I could find, was at the time I posted. I try to stay away from saying what I would do in a hypothetical scenario. Almost every time I've ever indulged such questions, the questioner comes back to move the goal posts when he doesn't like the limited answers he receives. Being as hypotheticals are almost always limited in details and scope to begin with, it gets frustrating trying to chase down a constantly-changing set of circumstances, so I just stay away from them generally-speaking.

2) I think it's careless, maybe even reckless, of people to say on a public forum what they themselves would do, especially when the bad guy(s) are unarmed. Prying eyes are watching all the time, and if, God forbid, someone who posted semi-detailed answers to a question like the one you posed and ended up shooting someone during a robbery or whatever, everything said in public that even remotely resembles parts of the actual shooting scenario can come back to bite you. I'll evaluate and give my opinions about what the victim/shooter actually did if there's enough information available to speak intelligently about, which there isn't in this case BTW, but I won't make it about what I would do.

I'll give you an example. Making general statements about a shooting for which many or most alleged facts are known could go something like this: "Assuming the facts as we know them now turn out to be accurately reported, it seems like Mr. Shooter is on solid legal ground."
Putting myself in place of Mr. Shooter, I've changed from assuming a reported set of facts to acting on the facts I accept as facts, and so the bottom-lined sentence is going to be much more conclusive, assertive and potentially harmful in a legal sense should I ever find myself having to account for shooting somebody.

In short, when it comes to the legalities involved in carrying a gun, and when the question(s) posed make the scenario about me personally, I stay silent just like I do with not handing my permission slip over to a cop unless and until he asks if I'm armed, because I view every public statement I make just like I'm talking to a cop, because believe me, if a cop thinks I screwed the pooch legally-speaking if I ever have to pull the trigger, he/she is going to track down everything I've ever said about shooting someone from a personal perspective if they can find it. This is a very easy place to find on the internet, so I don't do personal-perspective hypothetical scenarios, and will always recommend that others refrain too.

Hope that answers that question. I still decline to answer your first one.

Blues
 
I think American Hero gave a good reply. At 6'3" 190 lbs he could give a good account of himself with his fists Im sure. On the other hand I am 75 and although not frail I am no match for young muggers when it comes to a fight. I carry everyday, and had that been me being mugged I hope I would have just turned over my belongings and let them be on their way. Would I have let them have my weapon? I don't know. I pray that I am never in that position. All of us that carry should have a plan, in case we are ever confronted by strong arm tactics.

Im not too worried about being attacked because I would never be out alone on one of our darkened paths. We do have 50 some miles of them in Reston. If I were walking it would be with my 80 lb Lab/Pit dog. Probably safer with her than with my EDC.
 
EDIT: Having thought about that for a moment. I'm 39 years old and 6'3". If I was 69 and weighed 140 lbs I might have an entirely different opinion.

Being 76 and about 125, I wouldn't hesitate. "never leave home without it" is not just a saying. Once the first hand touched me, I don't have much of a choice if they decide I'm an easy target for whatever. As a state trooper friend of mine once said, "Make sure they aren't able to fight you in court". Been carrying ever since.
 
Being 76 and about 125, I wouldn't hesitate. "never leave home without it" is not just a saying. Once the first hand touched me, I don't have much of a choice if they decide I'm an easy target for whatever. As a state trooper friend of mine once said, "Make sure they aren't able to fight you in court". Been carrying ever since.

I don't blame you in the least. Who knows what their intentions are? For me it comes down to "if you commit a violent crime and lose your life in commiting it then you kind of had it coming". Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
9:30 pm on a trail, never go anywhere with your gun that you wouldn't go without it, entire situation possibly could have been avoided. Situational awareness.

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Indeed.

Did anybody else hear the sound of a data-mining engine winding out to red-line? LOL

I couldn't hear it over the sound of a prosecuting attorney saying "It's right there in the defendant's own words ladies and gentlemen. He intended to make certain the victim couldn't testify against him
 
It is reluctantly estimated by the left that at least a million violent crimes are prevented annually without a shot being fired. The esteemed author and college professor John Lott puts that figure considerably higher at somewhere around 2.5 million. This confuses me a bit. Is drawing a weapon not brandishing? Where does the drawing of a weapon become legitimate and when is it illegal? At the obvious two ends of the argument it is obvious. Pulling your gun on kids playing on your lawn is a crime, without a doubt. There is however a grey area where you may feel threatened and you may or may not be in the right. It is that area that concerns me. In the article I submitted we don't know weather the muggers were armed. They were not caught and apparently the victim did not report seeing a weapon. Nevertheless, Im sure the victim felt threatened and frightened, had he been armed who knows what he would have done.

Apparently there is a lot of brandishing going on in this country if we are to take John Lott' statistics seriously. It flies in the face of any advice I have ever received. I have always been told to never draw your weapon unless you intend to use it. Using the gun to deter a crime by merely showing it is what people seem to be doing, by the millions.

"BLUES", don't bother replying to this post. It flies in the face of your non discloser policy. Just stay in your bunker with your WWII helmet on keep a close eye on your driveway.
 
I have always been told to never draw your weapon unless you intend to use it.

The key word there is intend. If my weapon comes out of the holster (never happened as a civilian) it is with the full intent that I will be firing the second the sights are on the target.

If the circumstances change (attacker changes his mind, runs away, pisses his pants, whatever) before I get the shot off then obviously I don't fire but rest assured absent such a change in circumstance I fully intend to engage and continue to engage until my attacker ceases to be a threat.

Easy enough to understand ?
 
Eidolon, yes easy to understand. Is that whats happening millions of times a year? I think you hit the nail on the head as to what action to take, but. long do you wait to see if the attacker is armed? At 75 I think I could be severely injured if pushed to the ground, broken hip, etc, who knows? It must boil down to individual perception of the danger and take your chances with the courts.
 
The key word there is intend. If my weapon comes out of the holster (never happened as a civilian) it is with the full intent that I will be firing the second the sights are on the target.

If the circumstances change (attacker changes his mind, runs away, pisses his pants, whatever) before I get the shot off then obviously I don't fire but rest assured absent such a change in circumstance I fully intend to engage and continue to engage until my attacker ceases to be a threat.

Easy enough to understand ?
Makes sense to me.
 

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