What would you do?

[titaniumsalute04]

Just saw this video on youtube and made me think about what I would have done in this guys situation. Let me know what you think.

 

[wolf_fire]

I would have peed myself and been beating up severely since NY has all but taken my rights to defend myself away. Isn't this what Czar Cuomo wants, the criminals to thrive?

 

[titaniumsalute04]

That's exactly what I told my wife. The guy in that SUV had no way of defending himself or his family except for using his vehicle. But when he got stuck in traffic, the vehicle was taken out of play. Of course hindsight is 20/20 but I would have plowed through them when I saw the first guy get off his bike and head towards me just as he did. Then I would have never left the Highway and had my wife phone police. I live in Louisiana so we can open and conceal carry. Not a day goes by that my Sig isn't on my hip. It wouldn't have ended well for the fellow beating the window in.

 

[escapedthematrix]

Hard to say what I would do. I think that Range Rover is probably capable of running over multiple bikes turning them into mere speed bumps. Assuming I ended up where that driver was at the end, stopped in traffic, I think cranking the wheel right and reversing fast would have stopped the guy in his tracks who was breaking the window and even trying to break the rear passenger window where the kid was sitting. Probably would have run him over by doing that. Sure they may have gotten me but not before I went Captian Cave Man on their a$$. I always have a 3D cell Maglite in my door pocket for changing flats too. Of course this is assuming it is happening in NY as in the video and not in my town where I carry legally. I do not know if this would have happened where there is concealed carry. Wisconsin just issued the 200 thousandth conceal carry permit on Monday. Thats a lot of people potentially carrying and ready to defend themselves when met with a life threatening situation on themselves or thier family.

 

[vt_shooter]

I'd like to think none of the readers here would have allowed any of it to happen. First off, I wouldn't have hit the first biker the guy hit. If there's a biker in front of me, I keep 100% of my focus on him, because I don't want to run into something as vulnerable as someone on a bike. And if I did hit someone, I wouldn't run as the guy did, which only inflamed the emotions of the other bikers. We're not aware that the bikers did anything to the guy in the car prior to him hitting the first biker that reasonably should have made him fearful of stopping. I think the guy in the car was an ass - I'm glad he didn't have a gun, he only would have made an ugly situation even worse. (No, I'm not a biker!)

 

[The_Outlaw]

I'd like to think none of the readers here would have allowed any of it to happen. First off, I wouldn't have hit the first biker the guy hit. If there's a biker in front of me, I keep 100% of my focus on him, because I don't want to run into something as vulnerable as someone on a bike. And if I did hit someone, I wouldn't run as the guy did, which only inflamed the emotions of the other bikers. We're not aware that the bikers did anything to the guy in the car prior to him hitting the first biker that reasonably should have made him fearful of stopping. I think the guy in the car was an ass - I'm glad he didn't have a gun, he only would have made an ugly situation even worse. (No, I'm not a biker!)

HUH??
Seriously? ~SMH~
Are you watching the same video that I saw??

The overly aggressive-biker's (without i.d. plate's) were mostly acting like thug's and bullies imvho.

The biker gang had no right whatsoever to act as if 'they owned the road' and impede the traffic flow.
The driver of the SUV was clearly in fear of his families safety (rightfully so) and he was forced into a 'fight or flight' response.

Blame the thug's on the motorcycle's (for behaving like thug's), not the husband & father in the SUV who was minding his own business.

 

[vt_shooter]

Yes, the bikers were acting like thugs, but would they have been acting like thugs had the guy not hit one of them then ran, then hit even more of them a minute later???? My point is it never would have escalated to the point it did if the car driver behaved normally. Do you think the guy should have ran when he hit the first biker? If so, why?

 

[escapedthematrix]

Yes, the bikers were acting like thugs, but would they have been acting like thugs had the guy not hit one of them then ran???? My point is it never would have escalated to the point it did if the car driver behaved normally. Do you think the guy should have ran when he hit the first biker? If so, why?

It looks like the guy ran after the bikers became agressive and began pounding on his windows and doors. That biker was driving very dangerously and got clipped. I'm not saying the driver perfect and a model driver but you have to take responsibility for your own safety when riding a motorcycle. Imo, this is one of the most important points in the situation. He was putting himself in danger. The driver stopped as he should have but then needed to get out of there to protect his family.

 

[vt_shooter]

It looks like the guy ran after the bikers became agressive and began pounding on his windows and doors. That biker was driving very dangerously and got clipped. I'm not saying the driver perfect and a model driver but you have to take responsibility for your own safety when riding a motorcycle. Imo, this is one of the most important points in the situation. He was putting himself in danger. The driver stopped as he should have but then needed to get out of there to protect his family.

But that was AFTER the SUV driver hit one of them than ran. You could pick most any group of men who belong by means of a membership, could be a group of Marines, could be a biker gang, could be a group of off duty cops, and hit one of them in your car then take off, guess what would happen? Would it be much different from what happened here? Then if you went and hit a couple more of them, do you suppose you'd then have a hornets nest of pissed off members, who ever they are? The SUV driver was an ass. We're all gun advocates here, and our job is to make sure shxt doesn't escalate. The SUV driver failed miserably.

 

[The_Outlaw]

Yes, the bikers were acting like thugs, but would they have been acting like thugs had the guy not hit one of them then ran, then hit even more of them a minute later???? My point is it never would have escalated to the point it did if the car driver behaved normally. Do you think the guy should have ran when he hit the first biker? If so, why?

Earth to vt_shooter.....

Please pay close attention, I'm about to lose contact with you because you are clearly headed out of Earth's orbit imho.

1) The biker's (many unlicensed rider's who are illegally impeding traffic) violated numerous law's of the public roadway's.
2) An aggressive biker can clearly be seen cutting off the SUV and then forcing it to slow down by illegally & suddenly brake-checking the SUV.
3) The SUV (unintentionally) struck the side of said thuggish biker.
4) Suddenly, the biker and his gang of fellow thug's decided to now completely stop traffic (which is also illegal).
5) Biker thug's then decide to surround and threaten SUV driver while also slashing at his tires and banging their fists on his window's (also illegal).
6) SUV driver (with his wife and small child in vehicle) feel's threatened (rightfully so).
7) Police are nowhere to be found.
8) SUV driver is placed into 'fight or flight' mode...Since he cannot fight, he flee's.
9) SUV -vs- Motorcycle's = SUV win's & motorcycle's lose.
10) Thug's learn the concept of 'Physic's'.
Example; A larger, much heavier object (SUV), can easily overcome a smaller, much lighter object (motorcycle's).

Houst*n.....We *ave a *roblem. ~Crackle, Static, Signal Lost~

 

[escapedthematrix]

But that was AFTER the SUV driver hit one of them than ran. You could pick most any group of men who belong by means of a membership, could be a group of Marines, could be a biker gang, could be a group of off duty cops, and hit one of them in your car then take off, guess what would happen? Would it be much different from what happened here? Then if you went and hit a couple more of them, do you suppose you'd then have a hornets nest of pissed off members, who ever they are? The SUV driver was an ass. We're all gun advocates here, and our job is to make sure shxt doesn't escalate. The SUV driver failed miserably.

Watch it again. I just watched it 3 times. I'm sorry, but you are wrong, sir. Again, I'm not saying the driver is perfect but the biker clearly cut in front of the suv and then..... hit his breaks hard!!! Did you see that? the idiot on the bike slammed on his breaks! What a dummy! Yeah, he got clipped and that is why the driver stopped. Yes, the driver stopped and then he was attacked by a gang of angry bikers... after he stopped as he should have. You know, probably to see if that moron was ok and to wait for the police. IDk how someone can watch that video and place all of the blame on the driver.

 

[titaniumsalute04]

The video doesn't show it but the police report says that after the suv clipped the biker, the bikers began walking to the suv and trying to open the doors to get to the guy, and THAT'S when the guy took off running over some of them.

 

[escapedthematrix]

Earth to vt_shooter.....

Please pay close attention, I'm about to lose contact with you because you are clearly headed out of Earth's orbit imho.

1) The biker's (many unlicensed rider's who are illegally impeding traffic) violated numerous law's of the roadway.
2) An aggressive biker can clearly be seen cutting off the SUV and then forcing it to slow down by illegally & suddenly break checking the SUV.
3) The SUV (unintentionally) struck the side of said thuggish biker.
4) Suddenly, the biker and his gang of fellow thug's decided to now completely stop traffic (which is also illegal).
5) Biker thug's then decide to surround and threaten SUV driver while also slashing at his tires and banging their fists on his window's (also illegal).
6) SUV driver (with his wife and small child in vehicle) feel's threatened (rightfully so).
7) Police are nowhere to be found.
8) SUV driver is placed into 'fight or flight' mode...Since he cannot fight, he flee's.
9) SUV -vs- Motorcycle's = SUV win's & motorcycle's lose.
10) Thug's learn the concept of 'Physic's'.
Example; A larger, much heavier object (SUV), can easily overcome a smaller, much lighter object (motorcycle's).

Houst*n.....We *ave a *roblem. ~Crackle, Static, Signal Lost~

Ahahahahahahaha... Yep

 

[titaniumman]

It looks to me that the guy on the cycle was struck AFTER the gang attempted to STOP TRAFFIC! The beginning of the video is supposed to be when the initial crash occurred. It sure looks like the bikes were blocking his way. If I were being surrounded by 100 bikers and being forced to stop, and my family was in the car, I cant say i wouldnt have done what was necessary to get my family to safety...just as that driver did.

 

[dad45acp]

Earth to vt_shooter.....

Please pay close attention, I'm about to lose contact with you because you are clearly headed out of Earth's orbit imho.

1) The biker's (many unlicensed rider's who are illegally impeding traffic) violated numerous law's of the public roadway's.
2) An aggressive biker can clearly be seen cutting off the SUV and then forcing it to slow down by illegally & suddenly brake-checking the SUV.
3) The SUV (unintentionally) struck the side of said thuggish biker.
4) Suddenly, the biker and his gang of fellow thug's decided to now completely stop traffic (which is also illegal).
5) Biker thug's then decide to surround and threaten SUV driver while also slashing at his tires and banging their fists on his window's (also illegal).
6) SUV driver (with his wife and small child in vehicle) feel's threatened (rightfully so).
7) Police are nowhere to be found.
8) SUV driver is placed into 'fight or flight' mode...Since he cannot fight, he flee's.
9) SUV -vs- Motorcycle's = SUV win's & motorcycle's lose.
10) Thug's learn the concept of 'Physic's'.
Example; A larger, much heavier object (SUV), can easily overcome a smaller, much lighter object (motorcycle's).

Houst*n.....We *ave a *roblem. ~Crackle, Static, Signal Lost~

This is how I saw it as well. I would have floored it outta there too with wife and child in tow. Screw the paralyzed biker. He screwed up big time being stupid. Saw his gutter snipe wife on the news this morning. Intelligence is lacking in their clan. Shenanigans on a motorcycle is gonna kill you.

Sent from my hand-held mind distractor

 

[vt_shooter]

I just watched the video again about 8 times, and the first biker who was hit by the SUV clearly did *not* cut in front of the SUV - it was already in front of the SUV but it slowed down, probably because the rider was looking at the bike that had the helmet cam, and the SUV hit him. We don't know what happened in the seconds following the first biker hit by the SUV - we don't know why the SUV ran at that point. He probably felt threatened because there were bikes all around him, which may or may not be supported by how the bikers were behaving. There's no way for us to know - we can only guess. And it all spiraled out of control after that, when the SUV went on to hit two more bikers. Errors on both sides, but there's simply no rational way to deny the SUV started it all by hitting 1 biker followed by 2 more. The bikers hadn't actually done anything except perhaps slow the SUV down before the SUV had hit 3 of them. We're not allowed to start running people over simply because you feel threatened - there must be an articulable threat that's better than "I'm scared of bikers so I ran them over". I'm surprised it's difficult for some to see that.

 

[The_Outlaw]

I just watched the video again about 8 times, and the first biker who was hit by the SUV clearly did *not* cut in front of the SUV - it was already in front of the SUV but it slowed down, probably because the rider was looking at the bike that had the helmet cam, and the SUV hit him. We don't know what happened in the seconds following the first biker hit by the SUV - we don't know why the SUV ran at that point. He probably felt threatened because there were bikes all around him, which may or may not be supported by how the bikers were behaving. There's no way for us to know - we can only guess. And it all spiraled out of control after that, when the SUV went on to hit two more bikers. Errors on both sides, but there's simply no rational way to deny the SUV started it all by hitting 1 biker followed by 2 more. The bikers hadn't actually done anything except perhaps slow the SUV down before the SUV had hit 3 of them. We're not allowed to start running people over simply because you feel threatened - there must be an articulable threat that's better than "I'm scared of bikers so I ran them over". I'm surprised it's difficult for some to see that.

Ear*h t* vt_sh*ot*r....(STATIC) We ar* cle*rly havi*g c*mmunic*tion difficult*es....Ple*se maint*in r*dio sil*nce....(STATIC)....Gr*und c*ntr*l out.

 

[vt_shooter]

Outlaw, I think the static you're hearing would clear up if you had someone blow some compressed air into one of your ears and let it blow the gunk out the other ear :laugh:

 

[dad45acp]

I just watched the video again about 8 times, and the first biker who was hit by the SUV clearly did *not* cut in front of the SUV - it was already in front of the SUV but it slowed down, probably because the rider was looking at the bike that had the helmet cam, and the SUV hit him. We don't know what happened in the seconds following the first biker hit by the SUV - we don't know why the SUV ran at that point. He probably felt threatened because there were bikes all around him, which may or may not be supported by how the bikers were behaving. There's no way for us to know - we can only guess. And it all spiraled out of control after that, when the SUV went on to hit two more bikers. Errors on both sides, but there's simply no rational way to deny the SUV started it all by hitting 1 biker followed by 2 more. The bikers hadn't actually done anything except perhaps slow the SUV down before the SUV had hit 3 of them. We're not allowed to start running people over simply because you feel threatened - there must be an articulable threat that's better than "I'm scared of bikers so I ran them over". I'm surprised it's difficult for some to see that.

The first one that got hit while everyone was in motion left only INCHES between his rear tire and the front bumper of the SUV. Then while the motorcyclist was looking BACKWARDS towards the SUV, slowed down markedly as to box the SUV in and subsequently got hit. I really fail to see any wrongdoing by the SUV operator as shown in the video. He used his vehicle in self defense of not only himself BUT his family as well. His choices were incredibly limited at the moment he was initially surrounded by these hooligans. I would've done the same as him with my .45 in my lap...exception being if it wasn't NYC as it pertains to the firearm. The history and backstory to the bike riders traveling through the city isn't an honorable one in the first place. Innocent until proven guilty...yes...but they didn't make a good case for themselves in the first place.

 

[Nightmare45]

Biker clearly blocked him while looking over his shoulder, since it was NY he defended himself against superior numbers with his car, me it would have been my F-350.