What the hell has happened to the USA?


Punch

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People that retarded should not be put into a position of authority. And if they accidentally are and are found to be that retarded, they should simply be shot. I am so sick of reading things like this. I visit several forums, including one that posts screwed up news from around the world, and this kind of stupidity seems to be a weekly occurrence.
 

JimPage

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That's the result of excess enforcement, excess power delegated to incompetents, excess regulation from a bureaucracy, excess political grandstanding creating such a bureaucracy, excess prosperity leaving people with not enough to worry about to stop such inanity. Makes me wonder what real crime was being committed while real crime was being ignored by the administrative judge issuing the warrant, the agent diverted from real animal endangerment, the trooper diverted from enforcing criminal law or safety laws on the highways, etc etc etc.
 

Phillip Gain

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I've written to the Federal Department of Fish and Wildlife, along with the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries. (Not sure who the culprit is, from the article, but this really smells like a Federal operation to me.) I suggest all of you do the same.
 

Babarock

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So they should have just allowed the cat to kill the bird - right. Ranks right up there with the zero tolerance stuff in the schools.

Jury trial with USACarry members on the panel works for me.
 

nymoose

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Fine, next time I see an endangered animal about to be killed I will let it be killed...this is what they (the feds) are telling us right?
 

Punch

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So they should have just allowed the cat to kill the bird - right. Ranks right up there with the zero tolerance stuff in the schools.

Jury trial with USACarry members on the panel works for me.

All you would need is me as a judge. If this stupid crap made it to my courtroom, I would have the prosecutor jailed six months for criminal stupidity and crimes against justice.
 

Phillip Gain

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As a result of my inquiry - I received the following reply from Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries:


Thank you for contacting the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries (VDGIF). The Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries did not participate in this inquiry. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) is responsible for the protection of all federally listed migratory birds, and is the agency that initiated the inquiry referenced in your email. The USFWS has issued the following statement regarding the case. Comments, questions, or concerns should be addressed to USFWS.
 
For immediate release News media: for further information, contact Aug. 2, 2011 Bill Butcher, USFWS, 413-253-8339 or 413-658-7356 

Virginia woman unintentionally issued citation
On June 13, a special agent with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service observed a woman carrying a cage that contained a woodpecker at a home improvement store in Fredericksburg Virginia. As possession of a bird may potentially violate the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act, the agent initiated an inquiry to determine whether a potential violation had occurred. Upon speaking with the subject, later identified as Alison Capo, on June 27, the agent determined that no further action was warranted. A citation that had been previously drafted by the agent was cancelled on June 28.

Unfortunately, the citation was processed unintentionally despite our office’s request to cancel the ticket. The Service has contacted Ms. Capo to express our regret. The Service is also sending Ms. Capo a formal letter explain the clerical error and confirming that ticket should never have been issued. This misunderstanding was the result of a Service inquiry into possible violations of federal wildlife law. In particular the Service is responsible for the protection of all federally listed migratory birds. The Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries did not participate in the inquiry.

The mission of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is working with others to conserve, protect, and enhance fish, wildlife, plants, and their habitats for the continuing benefit of the American people. We are both a leader and trusted partner in fish and wildlife conservation, known for our scientific excellence, stewardship of lands and natural resources, dedicated professionals, and commitment to public service. For more information on our work and the people who make it happen, visit U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Home. Connect with our Facebook page at U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service | Facebook, follow our tweets at US Fish and Wildlife (USFWSHQ) on Twitter, watch our YouTube Channel at ‪USFWS's Channel‬‏ - YouTube and download photos from our Flickr page at Flickr: USFWS Headquarters' Photostream
 

BeauRyker

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A little common sense would have gone a long way. Or is that a thing of the past?

Philip, thanks for the effort.
 

CapGun

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Hmmmm the agent that saw the Mom and Daughter is the agent that showed up at their house to serve the citation. Seems the agency's excuse is that the agent decided that no further action was to be taken. Then through a rare clerical error that same agent serves the Mom with the citation that is said by the agent to have been unnecessary?
To bad it didn't go to court where it should have been thrown out because after telling the Mom that the bird was a protected species the agent did not inform the Mom that whatever was said would be used against her. Therefore the Mom and Daughter incriminated themselves instead of saying nothing.
This Agent should be in Congress!
 

Babarock

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Sorry, Baba, but I am sure that the members of this forum have been disqualified from the potential jury list. HOWEVER, I am sure that we are on some other federal lists!
So true. I can dream can't I?

I usually get released when they hear I listen to conservative talk radio (Neal Boortz) and like the idea in Georgia that a jury can ignore bad laws.
 

Punch

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So true. I can dream can't I?

I usually get released when they hear I listen to conservative talk radio (Neal Boortz) and like the idea in Georgia that a jury can ignore bad laws.

My belief in jury nullification gets me thrown off every time.
 

XD40FAN

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It a good thing they figured out there mistake and tore up the ticket! Im sure its easy to mistake a little girl from a black market person! Lol
 

TooCalm

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When ever I am out walking in the woods and see a discarded feather from a bird of prey I resist the urge to pick it up, because agents of the government will assume that you killed that bird in order to obtain that feather.
 

Phillip Gain

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@CapGun - I'm sure there's some governmental "CYA" going on here. But at least they're making it right. This is why it's so important for us citizens to be able to express our outrage.

I just got a reply from USFWS as well. I've included the contact email and phone # so that any of you who wishes to call and scold them further can do so:

[email protected]

Mr. Gain,

Thank you for contacting the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is apologizing to the Capo family for the actions of our law enforcement agents. Service Director Dan Ashe is attempting to reach the family to personally offer an apology on behalf of the agency.

We appreciate the family's efforts to do the right thing for the woodpecker and commend them for releasing the bird once contacted by law enforcement. The citation should never have been issued and the Service is in the process of correcting the error. The Capo family should disregard the citation.

We recognize that caring individuals like the Capos want to help injured and abandoned wildlife. In these circumstances, the best course of action is to contact the Service or state wildlife professionals, who can determine how best to help the injured animal.

Sincerely,

Customer Service Center - Tier II
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

If you have any further questions, you may prefer to contact us by telephone,
we encourage you to call our Customer Service Center at 1-800-344-WILD,
Monday through Friday from 8:00 am to 8:00 pm eastern time.
 

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