what should i do please help

[Walter Montgomery]

Ok im going to tell the whole story kinda of long it all started when i purchased a 9mm for my with for a present she got her ccw when i pulled up in are drive way to inform her i wanted to go to the shooting range some one in that short period of time broke in to car and stole the firearm i immediatly called the police a male officer and a female officer came in my house the male was ok i told him i was a ccw holder and he said ok the female got a attitude and ordered me to take my hands out my pockets in a nasty tone take in mind i was setting in my house on my couch with my wife and two children so what kind of threat was i ok then today i had a altercation where someone forced there self in my house i block them in with my car and called the police as the person aproached me and threaten me i drew my fire arm and told him that if he took one more step that i would have to use deadly force then the police pull up i put my fire arm down and proceded outside to address the officers the first two officer ask who called and i told them it was me that i owned the house and i had to pulled my gun on the trespasser i told him that i was a ccw carrier and all he ask me did i have the gun on me i said no and he went to ask the trespasser questions to why he was on my property i have it posted no trespassing by the way he told me to go ahead and move my car so i did as i proceded to go back to the house the same female officer that i had problems with the firstr time pulls up i had filed a complaint the first time didnt here nothen this time she tells me to turn around while she searches me and threatens to take me to jail if i didnt comply and had the SAME NASTY ASS ATTITUDE WHAT ARE MY RIGHTS CAN YALL HELP ME FELLOW CCW HOLDER

 

[freddie07]

Well, first of all reading your post gave me a headache because your spelling sucks LOL but I figured it was because you are all worked up over the whole situation so no biggie. I don't know how the law works where you are at but here in Florida doesn't matter if you have a CCW or not if you are inside you home you can carry all you want and the cops can't do anything about (as long as you aren't a convicted felon). You should talk to that female officer's Lt. or Captain and do a complaint with them directly. She shouldn't have a badge if she is going to act like that towards people that haven't done anything wrong. When she searched you was it inside your house? Did the guy that was in your property go to jail?

Like I said you really need to go after that female officer because dumn officers like that is what gives every other officer a bad name. I was never a big fan of female cops but don't get me wrong, there are some really good ones out there but they are rear.

 

[OldOwl]

It's no secret I'm no fan of cops. But I have to say, more times, they are shot going into a domestic violence situation is somebody's home. I'd be a bit uncomfortable with you sitting there with your hands in your pockets myself. If you already filed a complaint against her you can't expect her to be friendly. This is a perfect example of why I never call cops.

 

[6shootercarry]

lets get ready to rumble!!!!

 

[Edsworld]

Ok im going to tell the whole story kinda of long it all started when i purchased a 9mm for my with for a present she got her ccw when i pulled up in are drive way to inform her i wanted to go to the shooting range some one in that short period of time broke in to car and stole the firearm i immediatly called the police a male officer and a female officer came in my house the male was ok i told him i was a ccw holder and he said ok the female got a attitude and ordered me to take my hands out my pockets in a nasty tone take in mind i was setting in my house on my couch with my wife and two children so what kind of threat was i ok then today i had a altercation where someone forced there self in my house i block them in with my car and called the police as the person aproached me and threaten me i drew my fire arm and told him that if he took one more step that i would have to use deadly force then the police pull up i put my fire arm down and proceded outside to address the officers the first two officer ask who called and i told them it was me that i owned the house and i had to pulled my gun on the trespasser i told him that i was a ccw carrier and all he ask me did i have the gun on me i said no and he went to ask the trespasser questions to why he was on my property i have it posted no trespassing by the way he told me to go ahead and move my car so i did as i proceded to go back to the house the same female officer that i had problems with the firstr time pulls up i had filed a complaint the first time didnt here nothen this time she tells me to turn around while she searches me and threatens to take me to jail if i didnt comply and had the SAME NASTY ASS ATTITUDE WHAT ARE MY RIGHTS CAN YALL HELP ME FELLOW CCW HOLDER

1.) Put yourself in the officers shoes. Tell me you have a gun and I'll want to see your hands.

2.) She show up at scene and sees you, knows you carry, you get searched.

3.) If he forced his way into your house, why were you outside moving your car to block him in?

I don't think you are telling the whole story!!

I think all that is wrong is her attitude and all you can do is file a complaint.

 

[IWLAFART]

Why are all these first and second postings so eventful? I have never had an issue with an officer. If you treat him/her with respect you will probably receive respect back.:dance3:

 

[xdaddict]

hey those cops dont know you from adam, I say STFU and do what they say, dont be stupid, your just causing problems for yourself

 

[Snowman1911]

Why are all these first and second postings so eventful? I have never had an issue with an officer. If you treat him/her with respect you will probably receive respect back.:dance3:

Wow....breath of fresh air. Nice to see someone who isn't bashing officers. Well, you know we ALL take a class in the academy that teaches us how to mistreat people and stomp on civil rights. Didn't y'all know that?

Seriously though. The poster's commentary on the event is, at it's very best, nearly unintelligible. There is ZERO punctuation, not even a period. The whole collection of what SHOULD BE paragraphs and dialogue runs on as a single badly constructed sentence. So, I am going to go out on a short, thick limb here and make the assumption that, based upon what we have tried to decipher here in written prose, the poster wasn't communicating effectively with the officers on scene.

Effective verbal and written communication is a MUST. Police officers are NOT gods, nor do we know everything in advance, or do we even know that you are the GOOD GUY. We have to, for the sake of coming home alive, assume that the subject MAY try to hurt us or someone else.

We need compliance RIGHT NOW.
Why?
To assure the safety of EVERYONE involved. We need to have those precious moments to be able to sort out the situation, separate the wheat from the chaff, and use our finely tuned BS detectors to get to the bottom of a given situation. Period. If you calm down, stop yelling, and give us a second...things will go MUCH easier for everyone, and the chances of the wrong person getting a charge is GREATLY minimized.

Be respectful.
Why?
Common sense. Your Momma SHOULD have taught you to treat others with respect. Mine did, and I always treat others with respect and continue to do so until THEY choose to act in a manner consistent with being a jerk, then I will change my tone, attitude, and oh by the way also the way I see you and it WILL affect whether or not I believe your version of the event in question. How can I believe YOU are Joe innocent when you are giving me attitude, cussing, and showing your butt?

Be calm. Breathe.
Why?
We WILL, and I promise this, get to you and your side of the story. If an officer tells you to go sit down, he is really saying..."I need a moment to talk with X, please give me that moment so I can deal with this, and I will get to you...also I am giving you a chance to KEEP OUT OF TROUBLE by complying with my request."

MOST cops are human. Females cops are too. Female cops are in a doubly difficult postion when dealing with some subjects who are claerly physically more powerful. A 5'5" 130lb woman is NEVER as physically "present" as a 6'4" 260lb male officer like myself. They tend to over compensate. HOWEVER, if you do what they ask the first time, you will very probably not see the little witch jump out all over you. Realize this...WOMEN EMPATHIZE with victims better than most male officers. They can and usually will be your BEST ALLY in a situation like this. Treat them respectfully, and they WILL come around.

I did the job for 22 years. In all that time, I never started my tour with the thought of going out and violating civil rights and abusing my authority. I did a tough job and did it well. I went to the "ASK - Tell -Make" school of police work. I will ask you, then I will tell you, then I will MAKE you comply. Period. I always gave someone a more than fair chance in any situation as "sorta" described above.

Hope this helps. Re-write your acocunt of what happened in a CLEAR manner, and then an opinion can be rendered in a more informed manner.

 

[Cocked _and_Locked]

So, I am going to go out on a short, thick limb here and make the assumption that, based upon what we have tried to decipher here in written prose, the poster wasn't communicating effectively with the officers on scene.

Good call. This is the part I don't like:

...when i pulled up in are drive way to inform her i wanted to go to the shooting range some one in that short period of time broke in to car and stole the firearm

Why are we storing weapons in the car? Where was it parked when this ocurred? Who else knew about the gun? Probably a few more as the investigation progresses....

 

[Walter Montgomery]

Was very upset when i posted this

I posted this the night it happened, I was very upset the way I was treated. I would like to say that i was'nt yelling and screaming when the female officer approached me I had my wallet in one hand and my ccw license in the other hand trying to hand it to her as I was instructed in my ccw class.She was not trying to hear anything I had to say. The other police that arrived on the scene first were pollite and had already talk to me in a professional manner.She didnt not address the reason that I called the police in the first place.I have alot of friends in different citys that are police officers and her conduct was very unbecoming of an officer. First of all i was not storing my firearm in a car i just purchased the firearm and was planning of using it.I was going to take my wife to the shooting range and went in the house to get her when the firearm was stolen.This isnt the first time i have dealt with this officer and both times she was very disrespectful.It is funny to me how the first three officer who approached me didnt have a problem with my demeanor and she did.She was the one yelling at the top of her lungs snatching on my clothes. Was the search necessary when i already identified my self to her as the one with a ccw license and my firearm wasnt even on me at that time.Im sorry that you guys miss understood me but there were two different episodes.The first one was where my car was broke into after purchasing a firearm for my wife and i called the police.The second was where i returned home to find out that my nieces baby's father had forced his way into my home i was not there when this happen.I just pulled up when this was taking place,then i told him and his friend to leave and I called the police after I was threatened I'm forty years old and have heart problems they were in there late teens. I blocked them in because they were trying to leave after i called the police. And to the person who told me to stfu i thought freedom of speech was in the constitution maybe im wrong,but how can I identify myself with out speaking duh.It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see if i already passed three officer before she came to the scene then it is obvious that i wasnt the threat.And also why did she run a check on me when i was the one who called and to do it twice it was over kill.Unless you was there to see how i was treated you will never no the whole story and its funny that all my nieghbors that came out are going to court as witnesses.But thanks for the comments.

 

[Cocked _and_Locked]

...and its funny that all my nieghbors that came out are going to court as witnesses.

So, just to be clear: your new gun just purchased that same day got stolen off the front seat of your car while parked in the driveway and you are being charged with something after an altercation with the police?

Does that basically summarize the facts as you know them?

 

[Snowman1911]

The one thing I can speak to in this "incident" is the fact that she ran a check on you...probably for the same reason that in any given situation where someone was going to be arrested and cuffed, I would pat them down and search them again, even if I had just watched another officer search them. My safety was MY responsibility.

Possibly she was being thorough and running you through a secondary database, or calling up information ON YOUR LAST CONTACT. It could be that she remembered YOU from your first encounter with her, and that one didn't go so well so she was getting her ducks in a row. Who knows. Attitude determines altitude. I am guessing you were probably sputtering and huffing and taking out your frustration on the officers that YOU called based upon the lack of communication skills you have so ably demonstrated here.

As I have said cops are human, and not perfect by any means. Personally, I got tired of being called to a scene and having to deal with attitude and hostility FROM THE PERSON WHO CALLED IN THE FIRST PLACE. We are not Jedi, and we can't use the force to discern who is on the dark side until we have had a moment to assess the situation at hand. It is part of the job of every cop to have people TRY to use us as their emotional tampon or to mediate schoolyard style disputes between alleged adults.

If you have an encounter with an officer that ruffles your feathers or hurts your tender feelings because we couldn't use our ESP to divine your emotional state, or to omnisciently know that you are a shining example of the model citizen, or to make you feel better, or to get your stolen items back that YOU left in your car and vulnerable to theft...IMMEDIATELY IF NOT SOONER. Then I apologize for being human and less than Yoda With A Badge.

You want help or advice about a situation that you have not effectively or completely articulated. It appears that the ONLY thing the female officer in question failed to do was handle you with warm and fuzzy hugs. As you related to us: We weren't there, and I am further going to assert that had one of us been there...especially another LEO among us...we would have a whole different take on the story you relate, and would probably understand why the female officer did everything she did during the encounter.

I am done with this one.

 

[JSDinTexas]

Rule #1 - The LEO on the scene is in charge and he/she should be respected and afforded absolute cooperation
Rule #2 - Read rule #1

 

[GATORTAIL007]

walter montgomery

dude,your post was horrible. from what I decifered , you are not telling us the whole story. And I do not think the leo's were acting improperly.

 

[Edsworld]

Sounds like all you want, is us to bash this Leo.
So here goes:
Bitch should be kicked of the force.
Sue her for everything she has.
Tar and feather her.

Is that better?

 

[tanker1983]

Even as a retired US Army Non-Commissioned Officer and now as a Civilian, my BS meter is pegged on ths one. My advice: Get out of that neighborhood...jeezz. Breaking into cars..(probably unlocked). Then home invasions. RUN AWAY..lol

 

[Islander]

Call me paranoid, but every time a see a first post like this I call BS troll. I'm not as nice as Luke. If I'm running this board and see this as a FIRST post, I'd simply going to delete it and let the OP try again at a later date.

Giving benefit of the doubt, my advice is to follow all legal avenues and file another complaint. Good luck.

 

[6shootercarry]

LEOs deal with people across the spectrum...

From people who are the most polite and submissive during the interaction, to people who could be best described as openly hostile. Each and every one of them represents a threat to the safety and well being of the officer and the rest of the general public. I know many and the one running theme with all of them is: "I will be going home to my wife, kids, etc...today/tonight"... Along those lines... R E S P E C T... Give it and receive it...

Read the above post by Snowman1911... To you Snowman, Warm and fuzzy hugs (Well, OK just kudos, but I think ya know what I mean).:biggrin: Peace...

 

[gundoc_iowa]

I have also had a bad experience

I was on my way to a nearby town known for an infestation of wanna be gang bangers from Chicago. I have a permit to carry and was legally doing so, in a concealment rig. Apparently one of the bolts on my front license plate came loose and an Iowa State Trooper pulled me over. When she came up to the car I had my license, proof of insurance and my permit to carry in my hand ready to go. In Iowa it is not required to let the officer know, but I don't like surprises if I am asked to get out, she sees it and freaks out I am best served for her to know in advance. She asked if I had a gun on me to which I replied "Yes". She immediately put her hand on her gun backed away and asked me to exit the vehicle, which I did, hands out in front of me to put her at ease. she then told me to take the gun out, make it safe and put my hands on the hood of the car. Keep in mind up to this point I wasn't in violation of any laws, and cooperating fully, going further actually than the law required to show honesty up front. She took the pistol away and was going to throw it onto the roof of my car, which of course got a reaction from me.

1. I don't want her to scratch the hell out of the roof of my car by throwing a compact 1911 on it...and
2. I dont want her to scratch the hell out of my gun...I am picky like that
I asked her to please place the gun in the seat, not on the roof or hood and she complied, surprisingly...
I also asked her if it was okay if I leaned back on the fender, keeping my hands in view and not "assume the position" as I didn't want people driving by to assume I was a criminal...especially since I knew a lot of people who traveled that particular highway daily. I also had recently had back surgery and was wearing a brace that made it incredibly painful to stand like that. She insisted that I "assume the position" and wait for her backup to arrive. I was a little pissed by the time a deputy sheriff showed to say the least. The deputy wasn't happy about the way i was treated either and told her as such. Some officers, whether they be male or female just aren't comfortable with a CCW holder. I was cooperative and respectful, even after getting annoyed, and was allowed to go on my way after everything came back clean. I have had similar situations since, with no negative reaction from the officer regardless of gender.

 

[springfield1911]

I dont like cops either. Some are good, some are not. I know there are good cops out there I just havent met them yet. Thats why I dont dial 911. I dial 1911..leasantry: