What is your teotwawki/shtf scenario nightmare and why?
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Take your pick of triggers and outcomes. There also isn't any safe harbor if/when SHTF. I've been prepping for a couple of years now, have guns, ammo, food and a bug out retreat with abundant water.
But, unless you've got $$ to put into some serious remote facilities, we're all going to be in the same soup. I'm more concerned about the long term economic prospects than short term SHTF scenarios. If it comes down to God, guns and bullets, God help us all.
But, unless you've got $$ to put into some serious remote facilities, we're all going to be in the same soup. I'm more concerned about the long term economic prospects than short term SHTF scenarios. If it comes down to God, guns and bullets, God help us all.
How so, unemployment? Yeah, that would bite!
That's the real kicker, we live in an interdependent society. When government pays people to have babies, they have babies. When they pay them not to work, they don't work.
The mentality becomes, "where's my handout?", and when there is none, then we get mad. The difficult part to accept is we've off shored our middle class, resulting in wealth accumulation at the top.
Which brings me back to my original reply. My concern is more about long term economic prospects for our country, than short term or intermediate crises precipitating civil unrest or violence. I have the will and the means to defend myself using deadly force, if necessary. I'm not able to compete, however, with forces that are beyond my control. That was supposed to be the purpose of our democratic process, which was usurped by politicians borrowing $$ from future generations to buy votes, and sticking not only to this generation, but every person who will ever have the misfortune to be born into this world.
How does it end? Only God Almighty knows. We know that God tells us in his Word that the end of the Devil and his anti Christ is the lake of fire. But there is a lot that has to happen in between, with a lot of trial and tribulation. One can only hope in the return of the Lord. "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!" (Revelation 22:20b ESV)
golocx4
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If you look at the Apocalypse movies from Hollywood, they all had a common theme. The masses were mindless and were helpless until the government comes riding to the rescue.
Nothing will be further from the truth in a SHTF scenario.
Just went shopping with the wife, Food prices rising. Copper will make the cost of ammo go up. Gas going up. Government Unions shaking their fists. Middle east is falling apart. MSNBC guys are pissing in their pants if someone uses the word Target.
Will someone rise to the top and appear to bring world peace?
Could happen any day now could happen in a few months.
Live in North East so Im hoping it is at least warmer when it happens.
Meanwhile move along, nothing to see here. Keep your attention on Charlie Sheen, Lady Gaga and Justin Beever.
golocx4
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If you have an 8" self-propelled howitzer in there, I can understand why! :moil:
Treo
Bullet Proof
No one in America has fired an 8 inch sp howitzer since I did it in 1999. they all got sold to Morocco.
2/157th FA CONG was the last unit to field them and I got to fire the last round (luck of the draw) when we mothballed them and went to 109s
I served as a FA Surveyor (82C) with the 3rd AD in West Germany in 81-82 and 1st ID in 83. The 3rd AD has been through a lot since then, and is back in the continental US. Hadn't heard about decommissioning the 203's.
Lot's of great memories.
Treo
Bullet Proof
Phasing them out had to do w/ conflicts being at closer range and the 109 is supposedly a more versatile all around platform. Of course the new 109s (Paladins?) have gps systems in them that do away w/ the need for FDC.
The M109 Paladin looks more like a tank than a howitzer, formidable either way. Now that we've hijacked this thread, one can legitimately state the US military has been dealing with SHTF scenarios since the US Revolutionary War.
I've also heard the reference made to the size of the US hunting population outnumbering that of all military personnel in the world combined. No invasion on US soil, including that of our own military will stand. US troops may be called in to restore order and oversee disaster relief distribution.
But for the most part, if the balloon goes up (there's a Cold War military term for you), you will most likely be on your own, in a small group of like minded individuals, or neighborhood group. How long that situation lasts will depend on how quickly things return to normal. Remember, except for the military, all mission critical personnel that run government, banking, utility, and IT infrastructures live in the same neighborhoods and shop at the same grocery stores as you and I. If there's nothing available to you, then it's pretty much unavailable to anyone.
So, I think order will be restored in short order if at all possible. Longer term scenarios aren't good for the urban centers, and a retreat will be necessary, as well as caches of supplies.
What is the trigger for a SHTF scenario? Impossible to predict, but not impossible to anticipate or prep for the outcome. It's never too late.
golocx4
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What is the trigger for a SHTF scenario? Ask anyone in Japan
You wake up go to work.
While at work
WHAM!!!!!
Where is your family? Do you have a rendezvous plan?
Communications are down.
The only transportation is "your feet". Are you in shape?
The people of Japan thought it was just another day. Then WHAM.
It can happen any where any time.
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You wake up go to work.
While at work
WHAM!!!!!
Where is your family? Do you have a rendezvous plan?
Communications are down.
The only transportation is "your feet". Are you in shape?
The people of Japan thought it was just another day. Then WHAM.
It can happen any where any time.
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doublebarr
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Work is at home, we are a working ranch. Family is either home or at school. As a working ranch, we have more than our feet, we have horses and horses and wagons. Kids know to stay put at school (where there is food and protection and it is a church as it is a private school so there WILL be people who amass there that we WANT to make contact with) till we get there horseback and armed. We get to school, we get kids and make plans for our Church/School family to head to our ranch. We need beef, we butcher as needed. We need "guards" for the "supplies", we now have a good group to rotate as needed. Most of our "neighbors" are Amish. We need veggies, we trade like normal and offer them protection that they wont do themselves.
Could get harry? Yep, but we now have a good "citizen army" to protect and serve the common good with values that are alike.
The "worry" would come in for extended family not local.
golocx4
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Good plan doublebarr.
I too live in a rural area.
If cars don't work though gotta walk, no horses.
There is a whole generation class of people that think meat comes wrapped in plastic and green beans grow in cans.
When the inner city folks run low on food and water they will start moving out,
That is when your guards will really have to be on the ball.
I too live in a rural area.
If cars don't work though gotta walk, no horses.
There is a whole generation class of people that think meat comes wrapped in plastic and green beans grow in cans.
When the inner city folks run low on food and water they will start moving out,
That is when your guards will really have to be on the ball.
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