What is the best argument against an anti-gun person?

[Ragged_earth]

I am brand new to this site but i can already tell that there are a lot of people who know their ****** on here. I just really want to here any and all arguments to shut down and/or shut up an anti-gun person. I'm about to be 21 and I will be getting my concealed carry license and I wold like to open carry a bit as well, and I know full well that this will come with its share of sheeple stares and comments. So I just want as many points and arguments saved up for the bold soul who tries to tell me why I should not have my gun. And i guess for the sake if this thread lets assume that the person i would be talking to is not a complete idiot and can understand basic reasoning (which most anti-gun nuts cant... and i dont know why?) but I would love to hear yalls arguments.

 

[mspt_99]

problem is you first have to figure out WHY they are anti-gun. There are multiple reasons that people are anti-gun and some of the arguments against them can vary based on what their issue/hang up is.
the gold standard is the arguing from the constitutional carry perspective.
mspt

 

[nogods]

Sounds like you want a gun more as an extension of your..uh...manhood...than for purposes of protecting yourself.

Why do you want to argue with people about your weapon?

When people start a conversation with me about something I don't care to discuss I just politely tell them I am not interested in discussing the matter.

You are in control of your responses. Just because someone says something about your clothing, or your car, or your girlfriend's big nose, or your weapon doesn't mean you have to respond.

I don't answer my phone every time it rings and I don't run to the door just because someone knocks.

Spitting out a diatribe of "arguments" is not a conversation in any event.

But if you feel compelled to engage in a conversation about your weapon, just respond with a question like "why do you ask?"

Then just listen to whatever they say and simply respond "I don't agree" or "you haven't said anything that would induce me to change the choice I've made" and end the conversation.

You'll walk away the "winner" so to speak.

but if you want to express yourself then simply tell them why you got a concealed carry license.

Now let me ask, why are you getting a concealed carry license?

 

[CapGun]

Sounds like you want a gun more as an extension of your..uh...manhood...than for purposes of protecting yourself.

Why do you want to argue with people about your weapon?

When people start a conversation with me about something I don't care to discuss I just politely tell them I am not interested in discussing the matter.

You are in control of your responses. Just because someone says something about your clothing, or your car, or your girlfriend's big nose, or your weapon doesn't mean you have to respond.

I don't answer my phone every time it rings and I don't run to the door just because someone knocks.

Spitting out a diatribe of "arguments" is not a conversation in any event.

But if you feel compelled to engage in a conversation about your weapon, just respond with a question like "why do you ask?"

Then just listen to whatever they say and simply respond "I don't agree" or "you haven't said anything that would induce me to change the choice I've made" and end the conversation.

You'll walk away the "winner" so to speak.

but if you want to express yourself then simply tell them why you got a concealed carry license.

Now let me ask, why are you getting a concealed carry license?

As far as the reason as to why this young man wants a concealed carry permit. His comments in the post has me thinking the same thing as you. Not only that, I think you, nogods, are onto something when you mention the "extension" thing.

Now to yo OP, Ragged_earth>>>>> I ask you to reconsider open carrying. Do not take this to mean I am against or for open carry. This is totally about YOU and open carrying. If you can't bring yourself to consider not OCing for the first year or two after you get your permit then I think based on some of your comments maybe you are not quite ready for CC. I don't know and I am not analyzing you but based on your reasoning you might be headed for trouble. If you comment to me I will revisit my reasoning in more detail. Unti then there are many here with sage advice and think a number of them will understand what I mean and elaborate more for your benefit.
Take my comments and comments as coming from concerned brothers here and not from just some old guys that "don't get it"! Good luck and re examine your comments. Be glad to get into answers you can use but I hate typing. Sooo, later.

 

[fuhr52]

If your plan to strap on a weapon just to go look for an argument, you are carrying for the wrong reason. Most anti-gun people are liberal and liberals don't tend to engage in open conversation they don't agree with. Once you strap on that weapon concealed or open, you take on a responsibility that should not be taken lightly. Just my opinion. leasantry:

 

[localgirl]

"Because I can."
"Because the second amendment says I can."
"Because the state of ____ says I can."
"Because by the time the cops respond to my 911 call, I will already be dead."
"Because I am the only one who can protect myself against harm."

If it's someone whose opinion you actually care about, engage them in conversation, if not, don't bother. You aren't going to change anyone's mind by arguing with them.

I have a very good friend who's quite liberal, who tried telling me all the reasons I didn't need a gun, including "There isn't that much crime in your area." I finally had to say, look, if I happen to be that one rape a year, how long do you think it's going to take the cops to find me in that alley, and do you think the rapist is going to politely wait until they show up?

People who don't "like guns" either have no experience, bad experience, or don't trust themselves to own one. For the love of God, let them be. And act in a way that makes them let you be, too.

 

[CapGun]

Hey localgirl, good post but the best part is where you mention reasons why people don't like guns. I think the number one reason on your list is "people don't trust THEMSELVES to own one". Those people assume themselves to be so well reasoned that if they don't trust themselves how the hell or why should they trust anyone else!

 

[rich45r]

because you want to. then walk away from them you need not to explain your rights to them!

 

[Knourek]

Wow!

Right to the extension thing. You guys are brutal. New guy just wanted to break the ice, and this is what he gets.

I agree with all the advice given other than the personal slams.

Take it slow, and be sure you are efficient with your gear before you travel with it in public, and I would avoid the debate with strangers.

If anybody needs to ask me why I carry, I just say, ''because I watched the news.''
Other than that nobody knows anyway.

 

[Nightmare45]

I have never had anyone ask me why I carry, In Texas weapon must be concealed and it is, hence folks don't know I carry. In AZ at home there open carry does not even get a second glance except the occasional visitor and if ask I am very polite and tell them look around how may LEO's do you see within a hundred feet.

 

[The_Outlaw]

Sounds like you want a gun more as an extension of your..uh...manhood...than for purposes of protecting yourself.

How do you know what he's thinking 'n*g*ds'? Are you a mind reader?
That was uncalled for i.m.h.o.

Anyhow, to answer the OP's question, I would simply say something like;
"I carry a sidearm because when seconds count, the police are too many minutes away to help me."
Then you could follow it with;
"Cops carry handguns to protect THEMSELVES, not to protect me."

 

[Deserteagle]

Localgirl mentioned a few one-liners to shut them up if you are not interested in talking to a stranger.

If you really want to engage them, ask them if they have a fire extinguisher in their house. When they reply with a yes, ask them if they are hoping their house burns down so they get to use their extinguisher.

 

[decotriumph]

I always carry concealed so the question has never come up.

 

[Ragged_earth]

wow, I was not expecting to be met with all this hostility...my manhood... pulling out some low blows on the new guy wow, but it was asked why I will carry and I shall answer, I carry because my dad was in the army and i was raised around firearms, and after three tours he came home just to be killed in a stupid street mugging leaving the airport. and for all of you who think i am looking for an argument, then that is a narrow minded way to approach this thread. I was simply wanting to know what I could say if confronted about it. i do not wish to start any arguments nor am i looking for them, i just thought i could get the views of those more learned than myself, not get chewed out by them. so i apologize if my thread offended you, and based on the majority (not all) of the responses i got, i do not think i will be posting on this forum again.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Hey localgirl, good post but the best part is where you mention reasons why people don't like guns. I think the number one reason on your list is "people don't trust THEMSELVES to own one". Those people assume themselves to be so well reasoned that if they don't trust themselves how the hell or why should they trust anyone else!

You response made me think of a good one...

"because I'm more responsible then you"

How is that for an answer?

 

[tcox4freedom]

wow, I was not expecting to be met with all this hostility...my manhood... pulling out some low blows on the new guy wow, but it was asked why I will carry and I shall answer, I carry because my dad was in the army and i was raised around firearms, and after three tours he came home just to be killed in a stupid street mugging leaving the airport. and for all of you who think i am looking for an argument, then that is a narrow minded way to approach this thread. I was simply wanting to know what I could say if confronted about it. i do not wish to start any arguments nor am i looking for them, i just thought i could get the views of those more learned than myself, not get chewed out by them. so i apologize if my thread offended you, and based on the majority (not all) of the responses i got, i do not think i will be posting on this forum again.

Don't go away RE.
I think you could benefit from the wisdom here. Based on the statements in your OP, you sound like you may be a "confrontational" type person. (That's ok, we were all young once.)

But, there are several people here that will tell you that going out of your way to avoid arguments & confrontations is a MUST if you CC.

This forum has an "Ignore" button that allows you to ignore people that are just trying to bait you into a confrontation. (May I also suggest you finding internal "Ignore" button; instead of seeking confrontation & the desire to "shut an AGer down.)

You've been given some good examples of how to respond. But, you can also just say because you want to CC and it is legal for you to do so.

I just completely "ignore" an AG'er that wants to argue. But, if someone is truly seeking input because they are genuinely interested in learning about CC, I suggest talking from you heart and NOT speaking out of "macho" bravado.

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[SR40c]

wow, I was not expecting to be met with all this hostility...my manhood... pulling out some low blows on the new guy wow, but it was asked why I will carry and I shall answer, I carry because my dad was in the army and i was raised around firearms, and after three tours he came home just to be killed in a stupid street mugging leaving the airport. and for all of you who think i am looking for an argument, then that is a narrow minded way to approach this thread. I was simply wanting to know what I could say if confronted about it. i do not wish to start any arguments nor am i looking for them, i just thought i could get the views of those more learned than myself, not get chewed out by them. so i apologize if my thread offended you, and based on the majority (not all) of the responses i got, i do not think i will be posting on this forum again.

Don't bail. You didn't offend anyone that you need to worry about. Some people just get a proverbial bug up their azz, pass judgement, then stand on a soap box feeling good about themselves as they alienate somebody new. Certainly you recognize the Keyboard Commando syndrome.

 

[walt629]

wow, I was not expecting to be met with all this hostility...my manhood... pulling out some low blows on the new guy wow, but it was asked why I will carry and I shall answer, I carry because my dad was in the army and i was raised around firearms, and after three tours he came home just to be killed in a stupid street mugging leaving the airport. and for all of you who think i am looking for an argument, then that is a narrow minded way to approach this thread. I was simply wanting to know what I could say if confronted about it. i do not wish to start any arguments nor am i looking for them, i just thought i could get the views of those more learned than myself, not get chewed out by them. so i apologize if my thread offended you, and based on the majority (not all) of the responses i got, i do not think i will be posting on this forum again.

You can't expect to wade into new waters without the possibility of finding some 'bitey' thing in it. If you're put off by the 'bitey's' you shouldn't be fishing. :biggrin:

The last time I was asked, I reversed it on them and asked if they had a fire extinguisher in their home. If they say "yes" then my answer is "I carry for the same reason you have an extinguisher. Just in case I need it in an emergency." If they say 'No", it's best to ask them politely, for their own sake to get one and learn how to use it. The walk away, because they don't have a clue what it means to be prepared for an event.

Welcome to the fray... I mean the site! :crazy_pilot:

 

[nogods]

I just really want to here any and all arguments to shut down and/or shut up an anti-gun person.

A mature adult doesn't go looking for "arguments to shut down and or shut up" anyone else.

I ask again - why are you getting a concealed weapons license?

If you know why YOU want a cc license, then you already have the only answer you'll ever need if you should ever feel the need to tell anyone else why you a carrying a weapon.

It's not an "argument" - it's just your reason.

If you don't know why you are getting a concealed carry license then you probably shouldn't have one in the first place. Wait until you are mature enough to understand that it is a tool rather than a symbol of your manhood.

"Hey, look at me...I got a gun...." never works out well for anyone.

 

[jabatam]

wow, I was not expecting to be met with all this hostility...my manhood... pulling out some low blows on the new guy wow, but it was asked why I will carry and I shall answer, I carry because my dad was in the army and i was raised around firearms, and after three tours he came home just to be killed in a stupid street mugging leaving the airport. and for all of you who think i am looking for an argument, then that is a narrow minded way to approach this thread. I was simply wanting to know what I could say if confronted about it. i do not wish to start any arguments nor am i looking for them, i just thought i could get the views of those more learned than myself, not get chewed out by them. so i apologize if my thread offended you, and based on the majority (not all) of the responses i got, i do not think i will be posting on this forum again.

You can't expect to wade into new waters without the possibility of finding some 'bitey' thing in it. If you're put off by the 'bitey's' you shouldn't be fishing. :biggrin:

The last time I was asked, I reversed it on them and asked if they had a fire extinguisher in their home. If they say "yes" then my answer is "I carry for the same reason you have an extinguisher. Just in case I need it in an emergency." If they say 'No", it's best to ask them politely, for their own sake to get one and learn how to use it. The walk away, because they don't have a clue what it means to be prepared for an event.

Welcome to the fray... I mean the site! :crazy_pilot:

Ha ha..."'bitey' thing"...XD