What if you saw a Law Enforcement Officer in Trouble?

And to Axeanda45 if you want to see a Cop basher look in the mirror.


Please give an example of me saying anything that is NOT TRUE..... Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG........

There are just way too many examples of thuggery, murder, theft, overstepping of authority, lying, cheating, etc.........

No-where did I say cops weren't human, or that they dont deserve help when in trouble, no-where at all did I even hint at this...... I simply stated that IF YOU DIDNT SEE IT FROM THE START, YOU CANT BE SURE WHO THE BAD GUY IS..... (unless you already knew /recognize the officer)
 
I will help anyone whose life is in danger, Cop or not, that does not mean that I think the Cops are honest law abiding people, they are not I have known too many of them, they smoke Dope, they steal Guns, they protect thiefs , I personally have seen more Laws broke by LOE than by Civilians. Three 230# men tackling a defenseless woman, what I've seen them do is wrong. They over use Teasers, they just haven't shot the right person with one yet.
 
The Police have become jack booted thugs, murderers, thieves, etc.... Until such a time as the so-called "good" cops start turning in/arresting and testifying against the "bad apples" , they have alienated themselves, and burned their own bridges.... The "good ones" are just as guilty as the "bad" ones until they do their damn job and arrest ALL criminals, especially the ones in uniform... THEN they will have earned respect, NOT before.....

How the hell would YOU Know, without a doubt, that the so-called homicidal criminal in your example isn't actually an innocent person defending his own life against a murdering thief in a uniform???? How do you know the "cop" in your example is a real cop???? Unless you witness the entire scene from the beginning, or know the officer personally, you may be helping the WRONG PERSON....

This is your response to Fodo where you stated that you would have no problem driving past a LEO who was getting assaulted and die you wouldn't feel bad about it. I would post it but I can't seem to get the quote to work correctly. That is shameful. Just because of one or two bad apples that you've heard of you would let a man die just to prove a point. What would you do if you saw Military getting the crap beat out of them? Would you stop and help or drive by because there are rapists, murders, thief’s, drunk drivers, etc, etc, in the Military. What if it was a Preacher? School Teacher? Doctor? Just because there are bad apples doesn’t give you a pass to ignore someone in trouble. We all as Americans and as Christians should do everything we can to help people in need. And to ignore someone who truly needs help is the worst sin in my opinion. So you can go ahead and say that you wouldn’t help, you would leave them, but my final questions is, Would they leave you?
 
It is amazing to me how a perfectly simple question posed by this thread can be hijacked by a group of forum members who seem to have an agenda that is beyond words. I'll leave it at that. There is little doubt in my mind that in this thread, the moderator has not been doing his/her job. Outrageous and disgusting language and innuendos do not belong on this subject.
 
This is your response to Fodo where you stated that you would have no problem driving past a LEO who was getting assaulted and die you wouldn't feel bad about it. I would post it but I can't seem to get the quote to work correctly. That is shameful. Just because of one or two bad apples that you've heard of you would let a man die just to prove a point.


You have just proven you didnt actually even read what you quoted and are trying to use as an example, I said nothing even close to what you are accusing me of.
 
Obviously, there are people who cant comprehend what words mean, or try to make them say something they didnt say.

Here is what I have tried to get across to some of you...... Please read it slowly and try to comprehend it, ok?



If you come onto a scene, and there is what "looks" to be a police officer and another person fighting.... YOU DO NOT KNOW which person is the bad guy, period........

Oh, you can come to a conclusion... but do you know, 100% that it is the correct conclusion? Unless you knew the "officer" ahead of time, you do not know if he/she is actually a real/authentic "officer" do you? Also, if you DID NOT WITNESS THE ENTIRE INCIDENT FROM THE BEGINNING, you CANNOT be 100% sure who the "bad" guy is, can you?

I can think of many instances (with real-world examples) of the "officer" being the bad guy, and the one that needs the help from a passerby is the one NOT IN UNIFORM.

So, I will repeat what I wrote in earlier posts that people have IGNORED...

I, myself, dont know if I would help an officer or not , BECAUSE of the "shining" examples of our "police" in these troubled times of our country. The police have FAILED at policing their own, and by doing this, they have inserted doubt into those who watch and learn from their examples. (who, in times past) WOULD HAVE NEVER HAVE EVEN HESITATED TO COME TO THEIR AID. (note this, I did NOT say I wouldn't help them)

If I am innocent, I WILL DEFEND MYSELF (with deadly force if needed), even if the person ATTACKING ME has a uniform on..... In those cases (remember, I am the innocent person in this example) I DO NOT WANT YOU TO COME TO THE AID OF THE WRONG PERSON!

Is that so hard to comprehend? Did I say ALL police officers are bad and none of them deserve our help? By some of your posts, it sure seems like that is what you THOUGHT I said.
 
It is amazing to me how a perfectly simple question posed by this thread can be hijacked by a group of forum members who seem to have an agenda that is beyond words. I'll leave it at that. There is little doubt in my mind that in this thread, the moderator has not been doing his/her job. Outrageous and disgusting language and innuendos do not belong on this subject.


Very obviously it is not "a perfectly simple question" it is a very complex one that has many answers depending on the situations, and who is involved.
 
Ok, let me clarify. Axeanda45, you have taken what is a very simple question and turned it into a diatribe on bad cops. It comes across as cop-hating/fearing. Others have cited the excuse that they may get into some trouble if they decide to help an "officer down". In my view, this is a fear-reaction, and if not fear, even worse...allowing selfishness to overcome helping a person in need.

Suffice it to say that there are people out here that cannot abide by injustice they are witnessing. It is our nature to help (and I have helped many people in many situations). Based on what we've seen lately in several TV programs, we are few and far between. Maybe compassion with action has always been in short supply. I don't know. But nothing in my life experience (and I am older than you) has led me to abandon my principals of helping my fellow man. If I saw an officer beating someone to death, I would help in that case as well. You can read all sorts of things into the question, but the jist was "officer who was in the right is now in trouble". Adding all your references to bad cops who don't deserve help is a real hijack of the intent of this thread. That's why no less thand 5 other posters have called you out. Your reaction and post was out of character of this thread.

I KNOW you are a strong supporter of the constitution and the 2nd Amendment, which I admire, but your painting so many good cops with such a broad bad brush does not reflect what I and so many others of us have experienced in "the real world". That's why you received such negative responses...your views don't translate to the majority of our experiences.

In the end, many will simply watch and gasp (or cheer); few will act and aid. To those few, I salute you.
 
The Police have become jack booted thugs, murderers, thieves, etc.... Until such a time as the so-called "good" cops start turning in/arresting and testifying against the "bad apples" , they have alienated themselves, and burned their own bridges.... The "good ones" are just as guilty as the "bad" ones until they do their damn job and arrest ALL criminals, especially the ones in uniform... THEN they will have earned respect, NOT before.....

How the hell would YOU Know, without a doubt, that the so-called homicidal criminal in your example isn't actually an innocent person defending his own life against a murdering thief in a uniform???? How do you know the "cop" in your example is a real cop???? Unless you witness the entire scene from the beginning, or know the officer personally, you may be helping the WRONG PERSON....

Sorry Axe but it sounds like you have an Axe to grind. (Pun Intended) Check out this video that officer would have been killed if it were not for that other officer to help. Just like not ALL Muslims are bad not all LEO are bad ...get over it.


YouTube - Cop Kills Wild Man In Bridge Fight complete footage
 
Ok, let me clarify. Axeanda45, you have taken what is a very simple question and turned it into a diatribe on bad cops. It comes across as cop-hating/fearing. Others have cited the excuse that they may get into some trouble if they decide to help an "officer down". In my view, this is a fear-reaction, and if not fear, even worse...allowing selfishness to overcome helping a person in need.

Suffice it to say that there are people out here that cannot abide by injustice they are witnessing. It is our nature to help (and I have helped many people in many situations). Based on what we've seen lately in several TV programs, we are few and far between. Maybe compassion with action has always been in short supply. I don't know. But nothing in my life experience (and I am older than you) has led me to abandon my principals of helping my fellow man. If I saw an officer beating someone to death, I would help in that case as well. You can read all sorts of things into the question, but the jist was "officer who was in the right is now in trouble". Adding all your references to bad cops who don't deserve help is a real hijack of the intent of this thread. That's why no less thand 5 other posters have called you out. Your reaction and post was out of character of this thread.

I KNOW you are a strong supporter of the constitution and the 2nd Amendment, which I admire, but your painting so many good cops with such a broad bad brush does not reflect what I and so many others of us have experienced in "the real world". That's why you received such negative responses...your views don't translate to the majority of our experiences.

In the end, many will simply watch and gasp (or cheer); few will act and aid. To those few, I salute you.
I appreciate your reasoned response, and agree with all except the statement in red, it was NOT asked that way, so I answered the way I did.

The "real world" you have experienced in the past has now changed in the last few years, it would be wise for you, and those like you, to do some research into what is now becoming the norm, instead of the isolated........
Be safe..
 
Sorry Axe but it sounds like you have an Axe to grind. (Pun Intended) Check out this video that officer would have been killed if it were not for that other officer to help. Just like not ALL Muslims are bad not all LEO are bad ...get over it.

There you go..... saying/implying something I NEVER SAID.
 
Hey Axe: After reading many of the "back and forths" between you and others, I think you have to learn to "chill" a bit more and calm down. Many of your explanations to your comments, which you feel repliers have misunderstood, still come back as extremely antagonistic, contentious and literally militant in their tone; none of this helps this forum one bit unless that is where you were always going on the issue of LEOs. If you were going there, you picked the wrong thread and the wrong forum subject to vent on LEOs. I truly feel bad that you seem to feel so strongly about LEOs the way you come across with your replies; my hope is that you can understand, as others and I believe you have said, that there are some LEOs who should find other work, but you have chosen wording that expresses such an opinion in a rather crude and unfair manner. Regardless, I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and hope that your comments on this forum can provide some meaningful comments that help us all understand what it is to be CC without so much personal antagonism. Be safe my friend and God Bless.
 
I do get quite passionate about certain subjects, if I have rubbed some the wrong way, I am sorry.

My main reason for responding at all was to get others to think a little deeper than most of us normally do when we see something happening, do you really know for sure what it is you are seeing? Just like if you came up on a scene where 2 people are fighting, you dont know for sure who is the aggressor/bad one, and who is innocent.

Inserting a Uniform and a squad car in the scenario does not automatically mean the one in uniform is the one needing assistance.

I just wanted not to get shot by the good guy's (you all, and yes, most cops) if I was defending myself. (but I am not stupid, if a cop saw someone fighting another cop, why would I think for an instant that he would side against the cop?)

I am now finished with trying to make my point in this thread......

:dance3: <-------- everyone else doing the happy dance since I am shutting up, lol
 
Axe: You clarified your point well, however, your scenario is like being bite by a shark, struck by lightning and stepping on a horseshoe crap all at the same time. I welcome your input but please keep it realistic.
 
People with your attitude are the reason we live in the world we live in.:mad:
The supremes have said that police officers have no duty to protect any particular individual, yet many police officers are killed or seriously injured each year while protecting us from feral humans. Why would they do that, if we would stand by and watch them lose a fight for life, with a homocidal criminal? If you did, could you look yourself in the mirror every morning afterwards?

The answer to that question is Yes I could. As I would be more then willing to help if I did not have to worry about legal issues coming back to bite me in the ass.

As I have read the posts calling me a coward and or cop hater but I chose to ignore them for the people saying those comments don't live in reality if they did they could see why taking such action could lead to legal issues that will place them and their family in hard times. As "You are not a police offer so who gave you the right to act as one?" Will be one of the questions asked of you at the trail If you end up killing the person attacking the officer. You have now placed yourself for a civil lawsuit for wrongful death by the attackers family. The times we live in now you can be punished for doing the right thing. And my attitude about that is that is not the way it should be.
 
If I saw an officer beating someone to death, I would help in that case as well. You can read all sorts of things into the question, but the jist was "officer who was in the right is now in trouble".
I can tell you from experience that as soon as you interfere with the police officer you will be charged with obstruction of justice and assaulting the officer.

Obstruction of justice refers to an interference with any sort of work of the state or federal police, investigators, regulatory agencies, prosecutors or other government officials.

So by trying to do the right thing and help the person being beat to death by the police, you are now guilty of obstruction of justice and depending on the officer you can be charged with assault. Remember the world we live in now verbal assault is an assault charge.

Now from my experiencing these charges got dismissed with prejudice. This is why I am now aware of doing the right thing can be the wrong thing to do.

From all the legal fees I ended up having to pay for doing the right thing was just to costly and now I will think twice before acting.

So I am just telling you that even though I agree with you that you should help anyone who needs it, you need to be aware of what you are getting yourself into.
 
Sorry Axe but it sounds like you have an Axe to grind. (Pun Intended) Check out this video that officer would have been killed if it were not for that other officer to help. Just like not ALL Muslims are bad not all LEO are bad ...get over it.


YouTube - Cop Kills Wild Man In Bridge Fight complete footage

After watching this I have 3 questions.

#1 What was the Officers reason for stopping the man?

#2 The guy only attacked the officer after the officer threaten to shoot him if he didn't lay down on the road. What gives the office the right to threaten use of lethal force to get the man to comply with the orders? For if I tried to do what the officer did I would be headed to jail.

#3 I am guessing that the man being stopped committed a crime and the police where looking for him but why would you approach him without backup? I came to this concision due to how fast the backup officers got there though I could be wrong.
 
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Kasper, are you suggesting that if a armed civilian witness this conflict between an officer of the Law and what appeared to be a defiant purp about to fill the officer up with lead and have his brain blown out ,and if the back up officer did not arrive in time, that as as civilian if you were to interject to save his life that you could be charged with a crime of obstruction? Tell me this is not true.
 
As usual threads like this always end up the same way, everybody's opinion turns it into a big pissing contest, for the most part most if not all of us here would not or could not know what they would do untill that senario was in front of them, and please I don't want to hear any crap you all know its true, personaly, 99% of the time I would help the LEO, but if it was just a fight, one on one, there is a couple of LEOs that I know that would be on there own, and in case nobody remembers, its a fair bet that all of you that have a CCW permit remembers that part in your permit class, where the instructor said that having a weapon and a carry permit does not in any way shape or form make you a LEO, because as said in the previous post's you don't know the situation, your a third party, you MUST be resonably sure of whats going on if you jump in, if you are wrong in your judgement and shoot unessessarly, in a year or two your legal fees would bankrupt you and your family, and you can be dam sure your local PD is not going to do a thing to help, although you were acting in the best intrest of the Officer that you thought was in trouble
 

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